Star Wars: The Force Awakens (2015)

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Famm_sl said:
Ok this shit is starting to look corny now. That's like the most dialog we've seen yet and Han's is some fan service "look at him being cocky and funny!" stuff.
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Oh come on. Han's lines and delivery have been absolutely perfect so far.

I may have to avoid the internet when this comes out (yeah, I'm sure that will happen). I'm just getting too old to tolerate the impending waves of nerd rage that are sure to come from the basement goblins as they pick apart every tedious detail.
 
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Am i alone in not knowing what is and is not canon for this stuff? Ive seen the original trilogy a few times. Yeah i watched the terrible prequels but pretty much dismiss them outright and don't remember a goddamn thing from them.

I played kotor 1 & 2 and swtor which is where all of my non original trilogy understanding of anything star wars comes from, and none of that is even applicable since its a gazillion years before the films and probably not even canon anyway.

So whats the big deal about stormtroopers using lightsabers? also i don't know if it was this thread or another where people were arguing about saberthrowing and shit?

From the original trilogy they are just ancient weapons that the jedi used to use. They aren't magical force swords or anything. Anyone can pick one up and use it. The only reason vader uses one is because he was a jedi. The emperor doesn't bother with one. They have nothing to do with the force.
 
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Oh come on. Han's lines and delivery have been absolutely perfect so far.
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I'm ok with it really. Its my own fault for watching that Red Letter Media speculation vid where Rich kept referring to JJ's Star Treks as being chock full of "fan service". I never would have thought of it that way, but its exactly how Han's line feels to me for some reason.

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Am i alone in not knowing what is and is not canon for this stuff? Ive seen the original trilogy a few times. Yeah i watched the terrible prequels but pretty much dismiss them outright and don't remember a goddamn thing from them.

I played kotor 1 & 2 and swtor which is where all of my non original trilogy understanding of anything star wars comes from, and none of that is even applicable since its a gazillion years before the films and probably not even canon anyway.

So whats the big deal about stormtroopers using lightsabers? also i don't know if it was this thread or another where people were arguing about saberthrowing and shit?

From the original trilogy they are just ancient weapons that the jedi used to use. They aren't magical force swords or anything. Anyone can pick one up and use it. The only reason vader uses one is because he was a jedi. The emperor doesn't bother with one. They have nothing to do with the force.
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I really don't think there's any reason to see it as a lightsaber. Its a vibrostaff or something similar, not a problem at all IMO. Is anyone really making a stink over this? I didn't see it in this thread.
 
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Really? That's all JJ's Star Treks were to me. It's not like the stories were Star Trekky.

They were better than most of TNG movies and even better than some of TOS movies. I was ok with them being "an homage".

I thought about it while watching the movies... "If this weren't an established, successful franchise already then what would I think about this movie?" I had to honestly answer, "Not very much." But they were an established franchise and eh, they were ok. Beats a poke in the eye.

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Fan service on top of an actual good movie would be the best of all worlds. And I'm sure there will be fan service. Hah, it's like Rich said... it's been 30 years and he hasn't managed to buy a new suit.
 
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I guess I just never thought of it in terms of the phrase "fan service" before, which has a negative connotation to me. "Homage" feels so much nicer, but I'm not sure its more accurate unfortunately.
 
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Call it whatever you want, but there's nothing inherently wrong with it as long as it isn't overly distracting and doesn't slow down or take away anything from the film. In any case I certainly wouldn't call Han Solo acting just like Han Solo "fan service". Maybe if he was wearing a Han Shot First shirt...
 
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the one thing that will annoy me is if there's a scene in the movie where he goes out of his WAY to shoot second.

And I will bet you that scene was shot. Dunno if it made it past the editing process... but you KNOW there was a scene where Han says, "Hey. He shot at ME".


And yeah, I don't have a huge problem with it in and of itself. It's when the fan service gets in the way of the story. Which, I don't know if it did in the Star Treks. The stories were sorta weak, so it was easy for the "hehe, bones and spock don't like each other but they're true buds" to overshadow everything.
 
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The new Star Trek movies contain good examples of great fan service and terrible fan service. The whole butchered character development of Khan and the reversed Kirk and Spock "death" scene at the end of the second movie was fan service gone bad. That may have worked alright in the hands of better writers, but it was mostly shit. Kasdan's involvement gives me hope that this will be a much better Star Wars movie than they were Star Trek movies.
 
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Watching those SW Battlefront trailers made me think about the line they focus on "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." But, uh, actually, that didn't happen at all. He was simply cut down and became a force ghost popping up for a chat now and then -- not really a force more powerful than anything imaginable. Any guidance from that could have easily been given while living, along with a lot more information and practical fighting advice.

Even if you take the stance his comment was about his death motivating Luke to pursue his force abilities, that's basically motivating Luke out of a sense of revenge, a very dark side motivation. It worked out but that's a risky gamble.

Ben must have been bad at poker.
 
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I think the idea is that once he was struck down, he would be limitless on how often or even where he could guide Luke. He would be omnipresent at that point and would be untouchable by any force in the universe. I don't think we have also seen the extent of what you tap into once you become part of the Force. I believe they had more in mind but it never became necessary in the movies. However, being an eternal being and omnipresent is a pretty major perk.
 
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Yeah, if he was going to lose the fight anyway, being able to help Luke a little after death is a bonus. But it's not like he ever appeared to be able to actually affect the world (like in Ghost, for example, haha). And he didn't help Luke that much, really. Plus, at least in the EU, the communication link wasn't forever. I think Luke had trouble tapping into the Force to contact him only a few years after RotJ. All that seems far short of "more powerful than you can possibly imagine". Though if you imagined he would simply stop existing, I guess that is technically more powerful than you can imagine.

I do wonder if more was intended. Guinness hated the movie, from what I recall, so maybe he wasn't into appearing again.
 
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It just like the siblings/father and shit. They hadn't thought it out this far ahead at the time they wrote ANH.
 
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Take the trench run in ANH. Obi-Wan was talking to Luke telling him to put away his targeting computer and use the force. Now imagine if he was alive, standing next to Leia. If he starts talking to Luke on the radio, some general or Leia herself is going to try to stop him. (Not that they could with his use of the force.)
Without the ghost guidance, Luke may have not been so keen to embracing the Force. Especially with Han talking into his other ear.
Without Ben's death, he would have trained Luke. Would they have traveled together to see Yoda? There are so many what-ifs. So I do belive that in death, Obi-Wan became very powerful.
 
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Might that be Luke's face just above 3PO's red elbow? If it was indeed him with R2 in the teaser trailers then he should be re-united with everyone for the two droids to be together.

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R2 must be like a hundred years old by the time of this film. How the fuck they even get parts for him anymore?
 
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