Star Wars: The Force Awakens (2015)

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Gavinmad_sl said:
Except they fail to defend against force pushes all the time,
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When? I'm honestly having trouble remembering that happening. Maybe anakin force pushed mace, but that wouldn't really count because Mace thought Anakin was his ally. Did Dooku force push obi wan in the beginning of episode 3? Perhaps it happened a lot in comics, I never read those.

But I recall at least one book that dealt with early training, and they talked about how one of the first things you learned was how to not get force pushed all over the place.
 
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I am one of the biggest Star Wars nerds around, and even I thought the EU was largely meh. There were some areas of great strength and I suspect those are things that will be mined with the new canon but lord almighty there was some stinkers in that mess. I know a lot of people got invested in the Solo kids and all that but the entire thing with the Yuuzhan Vong left me feeling pretty unimpressed.
 
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Thrawn trilogy good, all else meh or outright bad. In fact Thrawn in those books is one of my all-time favorite villains/antagonists.
 
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There's a handful of other stuff that isn't pure poop. Some of the Comics were solid and the Xwing books were decent. Most of it was pure shit though. It's a pretty common theme with licensed stuff. Forgotten Realms, Dragonlance, and the Magic stuff. At least with the one Magic Novel I got a Mana Crypt for like 4 dollars and a stamp.
 
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Considering the canon movies are batting 0.500 for being total shit... You guys shouldn't be too hard on the EU.

Thrawn trilogy was amazing.
I remember the Centerpoint Station stuff being good. But that was a decade+ ago

I quit reading with the solo kids series.

Dark Emptor II comics were ok, even if there were some God level powers flashing in it.

Not sure why everyone thinks this movie is going to be amazing. It's already catering to shit markets with the black guy white chick shtick, guessing ren lo or whatever is a white guy.

I'm sure there will be a love story, cause women. And some really marketable junk (rolling droid) for kids. Maybe I am too cynical.

Maybe I can watch the subtitled version before the US release and come spoiler it for you guys. Lol
 
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The Ancient_sl said:
I'll give you a hint:

How did Obi-Wan end up hanging from the ledge in the first place?
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Nice. But still, even then it was when a padawan was distracted and he defended himself well enough to not be killed. Theoretically he would have been concentrating hard while hanging on that wall so it wouldn't have worked again. I found the fight on youtube, and remembered that the longing gaze gav was talking about was kind of explained in the novelization of the movie (which I believe is still canon). Maul felt obiwan tap into the dark side and it confused and weakened him momentarily because he'd never faced an opponent who used it other than maybe palpatine, if they'd ever even sparred.

I found an hour long video of all the light saber battles. I guess I'll be watching that off and on for the rest of the day.
 
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Nice. But still, even then it was when a padawan was distracted and he defended himself well enough to not be killed. Theoretically he would have been concentrating hard while hanging on that wall so it wouldn't have worked again. I found the fight on youtube, and remembered that the longing gaze gav was talking about was kind of explained in the novelization of the movie (which I believe is still canon). Maul felt obiwan tap into the dark side and it confused and weakened him momentarily because he'd never faced an opponent who used it other than maybe palpatine, if they'd ever even sparred.
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Fucking LOL.

Like I said a million times, this is why nerds ruined Star Wars.
 
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The correct answer is - Force users get pushed in saber duels all the time in Clone Wars and Rebels. You can defend against it if they do it directly and you know it's coming, like when Obi-Wan and Anakin do their little kamehameha battle on Mustafar, but it's normally done as a quick combat trick when they aren't expecting it. It happens at least once in pretty much every single saber duel in Clone Wars or Rebels, it happened in Phantom Menace, and the only reason it didn't happen in Attack/Revenge is because Dooku and Palpatine used force lightning instead. If you think about it, it sorta happened in Return of the Jedi too, unless you think Luke was capable of sending the heavily armored Vader flying 10-15ft through the air with nothing but a kick.
 
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Yea, it happened a lot more than I remembered. I'm up to the last fight now, and it happened in all of the prequel fights if you count being thrown around by force lightning. So far it hasn't really happened in the original trilogy. The best was the dooko vs anakin/obiwan fight in EP3 where dookoo picked obiwan up by the neck and flung him around a few times.

But still, I believe the original question was why maul didn't force shove him off the side of the wall, and I stick by the answer from the EU, that they have force techniques to defend against shoves (and other direct force attacks like choking or squeezing the heart). Those defenses just obviously don't work 100% of the time.
 
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Except the only reason that exists in the EU is because of the tabletop games. You do realize a significant amount of the EU was based on the canon established by the people at West End Games right? And then when Star Wars went d20, they literally just copied some of the stuff directly from D&D but changed the names to force X. So there's a force power that gives you resistance to energy instead of it being a wizard spell.
 
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Gavinmad_sl said:
The correct answer is - Force users get pushed in saber duels all the time in Clone Wars and Rebels. You can defend against it if they do it directly and you know it's coming, like when Obi-Wan and Anakin do their little kamehameha battle on Mustafar, but it's normally done as a quick combat trick when they aren't expecting it. It happens at least once in pretty much every single saber duel in Clone Wars or Rebels, it happened in Phantom Menace, and the only reason it didn't happen in Attack/Revenge is because Dooku and Palpatine used force lightning instead. If you think about it, it sorta happened in Return of the Jedi too, unless you think Luke was capable of sending the heavily armored Vader flying 10-15ft through the air with nothing but a kick.
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It did happen in Attack, when anakin got his arm cut off and it happened again in revenge when dooku shoots obiwan across the room in the first fight. So yeah it happens in every movie.
 
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Why don't Jedi force pull people? I think that would be deadlier in a lightsaber fight. Pull and stagger someone then decapitate them.

Star wars is dumb.
 
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Because to pull you actually have to establish telekinetic control of your target? To push, all you have to do is direct a blast of telekinetic force. Pretty sure Vader impaled Jedi he had force gripped at least once in the EU stuff.
 
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I feel like Jedi +actuallaser (you know, beam of light instead of slow moving stick of light) cannon would just vaporize people. I'm talking mutant white gorilla Congo style laser.
 
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It is space fantasy. Swords and sorcery complete with princesses, goblins, etc. Logic isn't applicable.
 
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Darth Maul had the higher ground and he gets cut in half.
Obiwan had the higher ground and cuts Anakin into pieces.

Ok.. Maul was arrogant... Obiwan was unarmed but the reflex and reaction alone by someone like Maul would have impaled him instantly. I thought that was a little silly.

Don't get me wrong, Obiwan is my favorite character in all the series but there's no way he should have forced "whatever" himself 50 ft in the air, did a triple summersault, force pull the saber, stop, and then slice Maul without something happening.
 
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Gavinmad_sl said:
Because to pull you actually have to establish telekinetic control of your target? To push, all you have to do is direct a blast of telekinetic force. Pretty sure Vader impaled Jedi he had force gripped at least once in the EU stuff.
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So you are saying that Force users create the telekinetic energy from them and shoot it like a wave originating from the Jedi? Because if they can create Force waves at any location near them they could just force push someones back towards them. In the movies I've seen them kinda "brush off" people with a flick of the wrist force pushing them to the side, If they can Force push Forward and to the Side then I think they can force push to the back as well.
 
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