Sure, but I think Luke explains that he saw the imagery in his future which comes to be true. Kylo ends up killing every student but a handful that become the Knights of Ren. I believe Luke explained that he outcomes parallel to what Yoda and Obi-wan found. There was a lot of death in Kylo's future and destruction. Said that he had already turned. Regardless, Luke saw of power that should have frightened him but didn't and it was completely dark.
A future that him going in to "confront" Ben ended up causing. Still a lot different than actually witnessing what Anakin and had, and pledging himself to the Emperor. Obi-wan even goes to visit Padme to figure out where he is and she even tells him he's turned to the dark side. As Lithose noted, Luke was extremely aware of what Vader had done, to him and the rest of the galaxy...yet still was willing to believe he could be saved. Him going to off Ben based off some feels when he hadn't done anything yet seems a little disjointed.
Don't let the overly doom and gloomy around here keep you from seeing it. It's not a bad film. I admit it just let me down a little in some areas, but at the same time they're dealing with a story and characters that are all but personal mythology for me. (ANH was the first movie I consciously remember seeing in a theater for instance.. remember.. i'm an old and all.)
I admit now that the one thing I would love to see would be a "This movie without any of the Finn/Rose story scenes in it" version.
I didn't mind Finn or Rose on their own, as far as playing the characters went. The damn mission was just completely pointless, and casino planet was over the top with the "the rich don't care about anyone" stuff. For a Star Wars movie, their slicer...I mean, master codebreaker...could very well had been BDT, but in some seedy casino/bar playing actual sabaac that they had to watch/sit in on somehow. Not some rando they met in the lockout for their parking ticket.
For that matter, Finn could have been recovering at some medical facility of the Resistance away from the main ship who gets a distress signal about the fleet being tracked through hyperspace, and him realizing he's the only one who knows where on Snoke's flagship the tracker would be. Then you avoid the whole bs scene of them taking a ship and insta jumping to light speed with Laura Dern's character asking what that was, and somehow Poe has persuaded bridge crew to lie to their commander that it was just debris. Which Dern's character buys, somehow. No mention from any of the First Order about the ship escaping either, for all they know Leia could have been on it. But getting back to the main point, actors for Finn and Rose did fine for side characters in a Star Wars movie. Everything the plot had them doing though, was either stupid or pointless to the overall plot.
Should have edited out the entire casino part of the movie and you have a tighter better show. But if you are going to have that part, they missed a huge opportunity in not using Lando for the codebreaker character.
Just got out of the theater. If you separate this film from all the rest, keep the flavor of Star Wars, while using TFA and R1 as references, it's a pretty great flick. If you're critical of things, it can be pretty trash. There's a lot you can criticize. A lot of waste. Rey was totally wasted, Finn and azn girl could disappear from the movie and it wouldn't affect a fucking thing. But there are several scenes that were fairly moving, if badly cinemagraphed.
The humor was trite, arbitrary, but it still lit up the theater with laughter, and probably hurt the plot by straying too far from the serious center. Characters being overly badass, especially BB8 or Poe at the beginning, were kind of take it or leave it. It fits with the new SW, but not the originals at all. Speaking of humor, I rather enjoyed C3PO giving the odds to Poe. The humor wasn't organic, however. More SW tropey, or a bit "modern", something you'd read on reddit or whatever.
It went on too long. And it felt like a movie that could have finalized the series.
I hated the shit out of Laura Dern's character, and her actions at the end seemed forced as well, even though it made her suicide actions feel even more badass. Let's be honest, that was cool as fuck light speeding through the ship.
The bouncing betty of Kylo, the misdirection, helped and hurt the film. Is he gonna go good, is he bad, is he self serving. Very....contrived. The Snoke throne room scene was badass, even if it made both Kylo and Rey seem like very flail-y, and disorganized. I think I'd take the prequels level of saber battles just for the clean choreo.
Rey being "the daughter of trash buried in the desert" would be a nice dichotomy to Anakin, and Anakin being the child of a slave nobody, but then they did some heavy correlation between Luke and Leia, with Rey and Ben. But of course, you'd think Leia would be clearly aware of having had a daughter.
I'm glad they took a slightly different direction with the big space weapons than just another planet killer space station, even if those ships came out of fucking no where. Speaking to the Dreadnought and Snoke's ships. At least with the Deathstar it seemed like time had to elapse for it to exist.
How they handled Poe was very poor, but goes back to Laura Dern's character being complete trash and contrived.
I'm still chewing on how they handled Luke. It makes too much sense for the plot, but for some reason I still don't like it, if that makes sense.
How did Rey get picked up by the Falcon at the end? Did I fall asleep somewhere where she got off the ship after the battle with Snoke? Or was that a plot hole?
Apologies if I'm being redundant, didn't want to read through all the previous spoilers while it was still fresh in my mind.
I can't give it a x/10 rating. Stand alone, maybe a 7.8/10. But a 4/10 as a Star Wars story. Let's put Episode One as a 1/10, and ESB as a 10/10 for reference.
God, my expectations must be in the fucking toilet after Justice League, because I actually enjoyed the fuck out of watching SW. There were a lot of annoyances, but nothing that specifically just pissed me off like JL. Just a bunch of waste and silliness, but otherwise an entertaining film that was enjoyable to watch with a full theater.
How did Rey get picked up by the Falcon at the end? Did I fall asleep somewhere where she got off the ship after the battle with Snoke? Or was that a plot hole?
Just got out of the theater. If you separate this film from all the rest, keep the flavor of Star Wars, while using TFA and R1 as references, it's a pretty great flick. If you're critical of things, it can be pretty trash. There's a lot you can criticize. A lot of waste. Rey was totally wasted, Finn and azn girl could disappear from the movie and it wouldn't affect a fucking thing. But there are several scenes that were fairly moving, if badly cinemagraphed.
The humor was trite, arbitrary, but it still lit up the theater with laughter, and probably hurt the plot by straying too far from the serious center. Characters being overly badass, especially BB8 or Poe at the beginning, were kind of take it or leave it. It fits with the new SW, but not the originals at all. Speaking of humor, I rather enjoyed C3PO giving the odds to Poe. The humor wasn't organic, however. More SW tropey, or a bit "modern", something you'd read on reddit or whatever.
It went on too long. And it felt like a movie that could have finalized the series.
I hated the shit out of Laura Dern's character, and her actions at the end seemed forced as well, even though it made her suicide actions feel even more badass. Let's be honest, that was cool as fuck light speeding through the ship.
The bouncing betty of Kylo, the misdirection, helped and hurt the film. Is he gonna go good, is he bad, is he self serving. Very....contrived. The Snoke throne room scene was badass, even if it made both Kylo and Rey seem like very flail-y, and disorganized. I think I'd take the prequels level of saber battles just for the clean choreo.
Rey being "the daughter of trash buried in the desert" would be a nice dichotomy to Anakin, and Anakin being the child of a slave nobody, but then they did some heavy correlation between Luke and Leia, with Rey and Ben. But of course, you'd think Leia would be clearly aware of having had a daughter.
I'm glad they took a slightly different direction with the big space weapons than just another planet killer space station, even if those ships came out of fucking no where. Speaking to the Dreadnought and Snoke's ships. At least with the Deathstar it seemed like time had to elapse for it to exist.
How they handled Poe was very poor, but goes back to Laura Dern's character being complete trash and contrived.
I'm still chewing on how they handled Luke. It makes too much sense for the plot, but for some reason I still don't like it, if that makes sense.
How did Rey get picked up by the Falcon at the end? Did I fall asleep somewhere where she got off the ship after the battle with Snoke? Or was that a plot hole?
Apologies if I'm being redundant, didn't want to read through all the previous spoilers while it was still fresh in my mind.
I can't give it a x/10 rating. Stand alone, maybe a 7.8/10. But a 4/10 as a Star Wars story. Let's put Episode One as a 1/10, and ESB as a 10/10 for reference.
Regarding the plot hole you asked about, when Hux goes to the throne room to find Kylo it's stated Rey escaped using Snoke's personal ship (presumably while Kylo was still unconscious after the lightspeed thing)
Questions left unanswered and speculation... Darth Plagues "defeated death", and if that's Snoke, given he already looks super fucked, my friend predicted he would end up pulling himself back together.
If they want to continue the story of redemption, how will Kylo return? He's already shown balance. But his need or desire to rule seemed out of place. Why? We still don't know why he's such a Vader fluffer, besides Vader being a badass and generally bringing peace and balance to the universe. It was overzealous officers set on the destruction of the Rebellion that spoiled his objectives. That and Palpatine.
Why wasn't there any dismemberment? Rey got a scratch.
They managed to ruin a childhood hero of an entire generation. How you gonna make Luke Skywalker into such a whiny bitch like that? Also if that was done to try and highlight the whole light side / dark side of the force isn't so cut and dry distinction they did a shitty job of it. Salt level above 9000.
Admittedly the part with R2D2 playing that old Leia message was pretty dope.
Saw it a 2nd time today. Same exact theater and screen and even seats as my thursday viewing, but this time it was in 3D IMAX vs regular 2D IMAX. For anyone considering, I'd say skip 3D and watch it regular - due to the 2h30m length your eyes are really fatigued at the end and the 3D doesn't really add much, a few scenes looked off a little in 3D due to DOF compared to regular 2D. Color wise no real problem though, looked nice and bright on the screen I saw it on.
and yeah, the movie does not hold up well on repeat watchings, I still enjoyed large chunks of it but man the bad stuff really, really is bad and I started just drifting off around halfway. There's just a whole lot of "wtf?" in this movie which isn't a big deal on first watch since its a lot of "WHAT A TWIST" going on, but on second viewing once you know everything its a lot less interesting. This movie isn't gonna sit well in the star wars lineup, and it'll probably do even worse once Episode 9 is out and there is very little continuity between 7, 8, and 9.
Just got back from seeing this. I'll need at least another showing so that I can fully absorb this one but my initial thoughts are very mixed. Had some great moments. Liked that they decided to take some risks with this movie. Some of those risks paid off some of them fell completely flat.
I think my biggest take away from this movie is how obvious it is that they fucked up by not having a single story teller making a continuous story ark over the the trilogy. I'm fine with having different directors for the movies. The Original Trilogy each movie had a different director. The difference with this vs the OT was that the OT had a single person crafting the story (for better or worse). This movie was wrapped up too neatly and is too self contained which is exactly what you would expect from this method of baton passing of the story line. I honestly don't see where they are going to be able to take this in Episode 9. JJ has his work cut out for him and I'm honestly not optimistic with what he's going to be able to do with it.
Saw it tonight. My only gripe is the amount of stuff that was obviously just added so they could make more toys. In particular the fact that Snoke's guards each had a different weapon was ridiculous.
I would understand people complaining saying there was an excessive amount of humor, but I liked that aspect.
On the lighter side of things, I found out today I fucked Luke Skywalker's mom.
I posted on social media about seeing the movie, and I got a text from a former hookup saying she didn't know I was such a Star Wars fan. She then sent me a pic of her with George Lucas and her baby from Episode III. They used her son to play baby Luke at the end of the film. Color me amazed.
JJ will just throw in his stupid Lost "Mystery Box" again and kick off another few years of Neckbeards going into retarded Reddit-vs.-YouTube theory-fights about Darth Plague-something and Grey Jedi for a few years until the Episode X-XII trilogy rolls around.
