Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)

Jackie Treehorn said:

I fell asleep during the last 30 minutes of last year's offering.

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Man, that's like sitting through Showgirls and nodding off during all of the nudity.

Yeah, you are correct.

Creslin said:

That's the problem. It seems like a movie written by committee. No single vision, the director I actually give credit to, if he had no real say in the script it was a great execution of what he must have been given

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The director got the only screen writing credit so presumably it's his baby.

If you have some free time go see this. Otherwise its nothing special, and wait to rent.

Edit: After watching other reviews. Nothing in this movie surprised me except one plot point that makes no difference.

It isn't bad. It is like game of thrones, early seasons being th original trilogy and these movies are the new seasons, the writing is worse, the story doesn't exactly make sense and the drsgons fly around at light speed but oh well. it is still good, it just isn't hitting the high notes it hit when it was a work of passion.

I really think the biggest mistake Disney made is not hiring a great writer to write this and letting it be someone elses vision. It feels listless most of all. But the technical aspects are amazing

Dude. I just got back from this piece of shit movie. Now, I'm a guy who liked the prequels. Darth Maul? Cool. This piece of shit? This made me wanna get up and walk the fuck out. As soon as I saw ...


I mean, I wasn't even paying attention after that, and I think the very next scene was Finn and Margaret Cho's look alike scene. I just wanted the fucking thing to be over.

It is a huge dumpster fire. I'd rather sit here and watch all four seasons of Dark Matter (a cancelled SciFi channel show) again than to have to be subjected to this piece of shit movie again.

Fuck, and you can tell people are pissed about this movie when I go to google and type in sy, and it pulls up synchronous communications. This movie is a dumpster fire. BTW, if you didn't know, synchronous communications is how the First Order would have known that they were communicating with Po.

Haus said:

OK two observations here. I will spoiler both for the sandy-vag crowd....

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If you're a fat guy flying an x-wing, you're a dead man.. period.. end of story

and an observation I don't know if I'm wrong or not about...

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At the end when someone (pretty sure it was either Rey of Finn) were getting something out of a drawer in the Falcon if you looked to the right of the thing they were getting out I swear all those damn old Jedi books were in that drawer. Did Rey steal them from the tree figuring if Luke wouldn't train her she'd just read the damn manual and figure shit out?

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Synj, the point isn't to get too ridiculous and random with stuff you remember. OT had stuff you actually remembered on first viewing.

Mist said:

This thread is all over the place, and more bad than good. I'm afraid to go see it.

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It's not prequels bad Mist. We were just misled/teased at larger answers coming in this one, and this one being the best SW movie up there with Empire. Plenty of good parts, but it didn't live up to all that...and many questions TFA might have brought up for you will not be answered in TLJ.

Fan since my youngling years and I got a break from the kids and snuck out to see the movie. Given that I actually got to watch a movie vs. Chuggington or Super Monsters, I was pretty excited. Havn't watched reviews and mostly avoided the forums. That shit sucked, sorry guys.

Mist said:

This thread is all over the place, and more bad than good. I'm afraid to go see it.

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The only reason I'm wary to see it is that it'll spoil the mystery. I'm finding the aggressively devisive reactions fascinating. I don't think I've ever seen such an even mixture of "It's fucking awesome/It's meh/It's rancid shit" before, even among people who are normally in agreement with each other.

jayrebb said:

Jives with what I've been hearing about the Lucas Film writer's room. Too many millennial and Gen X'ers involved.

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Lucasfilm doesn't use a writers' room for the movies. They have something called The Story Group which a lot of people incorrectly assume is a writing team because of the self-indulgent name they've given themselves. But all they do is oversee the continuity of facts across all of the various media (books, games, tv shows, etc) and between the individual movies for the sake of a unified canon. They sometimes make suggestions to the individual directors and writers of people or places that can be used to help stitch everything together (Saw Gerrera being in Rogue One for example, when the script for that movie called for an extremist breakaway rebel leader). And they serve as a resource for writers when they have questions like "how does X work in Star Wars". Some of the individual members of the SG do write for some of the books (mostly the reference materials) but not the movies.

For those Lucasfilm has only hired individual screenwriters or duos so far but as is often the case in Hollywood they will end up going through multiple writers trying to tighten up a script. TFA started with Michael Arndt and when he got stuck on trying to figure out how to handle the legacy characters they brought in Lawrence Kasdan, who eventually replaced him, and Abrams himself later got involved. But Rian Johnson is a director who writes all of his own scripts and he did the same for TLJ.

I think they could actually use a writing team or at least assign a head writers(s) for the sagas/trilogies. That would help avoid questions and mysteries being introduced in one movie that aren't intended to have satisfying answers or payoffs later on. Especially when you're dealing with a director like Abrams and his fetish for mystery boxes that are never intended get concrete answers.

Decided to wait on my second viewing due to the Star Wars weekend on TV. Watched them all the way through over the last couple of days and a couple of take aways for what it's worth.

People, including Mark Hamil made a comment about Luke going away to an island and being all depressed is not what a Jedi does...

Yoda did. He beat himself up, said he failed, went into exile and pretty well argued with Obi-wan making excuses of why he shouldn't train him. Yoda on more than on occasion was a pessimist from the prequels and through the OT. I agree Luke was probably a little overly emo, old-man hermit crazy but I thought the movie explained it quite well.

For the sake of spoilers, people are going crazy about Luke thinking about killing a certain someone back in a flashback.

Again, TLJ/Luke explained why the consideration and this isn't an unusual Jedi response. To save the Jedi and whatever else they valued at the time, Yoda ordered Obi-wan to kill Anakin because of the dark he saw in him. This is the supposed chosen one who lost his mother, didn't know his father, that Obi-wan practically raised as a son, who also knew that he was expecting a child and had a wife in secret. There was no plan to bring Anakin back or sympathize with him, it was too late in their eyes so Luke making his choice was no different and probably not as unbelievable than what Yoda decided to do. Obi-wan himself said in RotS, that was the Chosen One. He was supposed to destroy the sith, not join it. So not only was it insane to order his death because of their lack of sympathy with the kid but they were going to kill their one hope to destroy the Sith.

The humor bothered me less as well upon watching everything. I think we are forgetting the OT was the first of its kind and this is the 8th installment if you don't count spinoffs.

I still completely agree with the issues and I understand the low ratings but as someone said earlier, I'm not sure it's being judged completely fair.

For those on the fence about watching it. You have to think about how much can a few bad moments impact your experience. Ultimately there are 4-5 complaints with 2-3 of them being pretty stupid moves by Rian Johnson but can you overlook them and join the rest of the movie or will it continue to compound as you watch one scene to the next. Also, if you are looking for the answers to TFA, you're not going to get anything that has been theorized or probably thought of yourself. That kinda sucked in my opinion but it does put the trilogy in an interesting position and if I could tell JJ anything it would be to make it worth it. I would have rather it been predicable and good than take this path for no risky payoff.

Synj said:

LOL, just looking at this box and I can remember Han, Luke and Leia in Hoth Gear from the toys:

I even remember that stupid medical droid (FX-7). All those little plastic probes at the bottom could be popped out to rez Luke and friends.

I thought the Hoth Rebel Trooper was a badass because his rifle had a sling. This shit is engrained my friends.

No way that came from one viewing LOL!

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Was also 2 versions of Tauntauns, open belly and normal!

Muligan said:

Yoda ordered Obi-wan to kill Anakin because of the dark he saw in him. This is the supposed chosen one who lost his mother, didn't know his father, that Obi-wan practically raised as a son, who also knew that he was expecting a child and had a wife in secret. There was no plan to bring Anakin back or sympathize with him, it was too late in their eyes so Luke making his choice was no different and probably not as unbelievable than what Yoda decided to do. Obi-wan himself said in RotS, that was the Chosen One. He was supposed to destroy the sith, not join it. So not only was it insane to order his death because of their lack of sympathy with the kid but they were going to kill their one hope to destroy the Sith.

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Slightly different scenario. You know, after Yoda and Obi-wan go check out the temple and see the younglings killed by lightsaber. Then Obi-wan just has to check the security cam footage even after Yoda warns him about what he'll see. They literally see him slaughtering the younglings, followed by him kneeling before The Emperor as he says he has done well as his apprentice and calls him Vader.

Creslin said:

It isn't bad. It is like game of thrones, early seasons being th original trilogy and these movies are the new seasons, the writing is worse, the story doesn't exactly make sense and the drsgons fly around at light speed but oh well. it is still good, it just isn't hitting the high notes it hit when it was a work of passion.

I really think the biggest mistake Disney made is not hiring a great writer to write this and letting it be someone elses vision. It feels listless most of all. But the technical aspects are amazing

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I had a friend compare it to the 'wight hunt' in the latest season of GoT and thought it was a pretty apt comparison as well. Stupid as fuck, characters acted like idiots and nothing really made any sense with some cool moments sprinkled in. Problem is this was 1/3rd of a trilogy and the wight hunt was 2 episode of 70+. It's especially annoying because I listen to a bunch of podcasts that were pretty harsh on GoT but praised TLJ like it was a masterpiece.

Merrith said:

Slightly different scenario. You know, after Yoda and Obi-wan go check out the temple and see the younglings killed by lightsaber. Then Obi-wan just has to check the security cam footage even after Yoda warns him about what he'll see. They literally see him slaughtering the younglings, followed by him kneeling before The Emperor as he says he has done well as his apprentice and calls him Vader.

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Luke on the other hand, felt some darkness in his nephew, who hadn't done anything yet

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