Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)

Miguex_sl said:

Right, except for the reason Poe is there in the first place, right at the start, is to get the fragment of map that leads right to the last remaining Jedi. His entire mission is to get the fragment to Leia so they can find where Luke is. I don't see how you are missing some of this stuff. Quit trying to theorycraft some elaborate plot that involves characters 75% of the people seeing the movie wouldn't even recognize.

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I understand all of this, but the line shows that balance hasn't been restored. The Jedi are gone, he says it himself. "There can be no balance without the Jedi." Jedi as in plural. Luke, one Jedi, hiding out in a remote region of the galaxy does not qualify as "the Jedi." His attempt to recreate the order failed. I really hope Luke doesn't die, but he's old... I don't see him doing very many action scenes. I really hope they don't kill him off, but wouldn't be surprised if they did.

Anakin/Luke did not restore balance to the force. The New Republic's command and fleet has been destroyed, the First Order has a massive fleet of advanced Star Destroyers built in secret by Kuat, and the Resistance has 7 X-Wings left. Things are not looking good going into the second movie. Supposedly the First Order's fleet was much smaller, but still a match, for the Republic's old and underfunded fleet even without most of it being destroyed. I mean the Dark Side seems more powerful than ever heading into VIII. If Anakin was the Chosen One, he was a massive failure.

Ok Chuk.

I love that his smoking gun that prove his retarded theories is the fact that Disney lawyers asked someone to take down something infringing on their copyright.

Disney's legal team knows all the insider plot twists

The plot thickens. Or does it?

Snape+Snoke=Plagueis

Confirmed.

Almost everyone's guesses about Episode VII were wrong except one person on Reddit LouEvil. His speculation and spoilers were spot on, including Ren being Solo's son and killing him in the Third Act. If there's anyone to trust, it would be him because supposedly he's connected someway to the production team.

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Luke knows who Ren is. She's Anakin. She's the force. She's there to correct the wrongs. Luke wasn't searching for the first temple, he was searching for clues as to how this process works. Luke is related to Rey, but Luke says to her,"You are my father."
Pablo Hidalgo also confirmed that Rey will face a much stronger struggle to resist the Dark Side than Ren. Snoke also knows her power, the history, and wanted her to kill Ren on the planet so that she would turn. It doesn't stop there, and it's going to be a battle over the Chosen One's fate.

The backstory to Luke and his Jedi being wiped out is that Snoke seduced Kylo and a few of the other students to the dark side and tasked them with killing everyone. Luke and a few others survived, including a young Rey who was subsequently dumped on Jakku by Luke.

Rey's mom died in the attack.

Rey is pissed at Luke because she guesses that he was her father and is angry at him for abandoning her. Luke turns to her and says "No, you are my father".

Yes, really.

Rey is the reincarnation of Anakin Skywalker. Luke went to the first Jedi temple to better understand how the process works. He learned that the spirit of the chosen one is reincarnated by the Force every time the universe is thrown out of balance, which apparently happens on a semi-regular basis (Anakin was hardly the first time the chosen one reincarnated). This is why she's so crazy powerful with the Force (remember that Anakin blew up the Trade Federation donut ship by himself when he was like 8 years old).

Rey was the product of a virgin birth, but midichlorians aren't mentioned (Luke says "you are a child of the Force").

Luke is hesitant to train her because, according to Jedi history, the chosen one always struggles with staying on the light side of the Force because of the chaotic power running through them. He's afraid that she could become Vader 2.0. If he trains her to fight Kylo, and she turns dark, she would do way more damage to the galaxy than Kylo could ever dream of doing.

He ultimately trains her anyway and leaves everything up to the Force. He makes this decision in a scene where he confers with the ghosts of Obi-Wan and Yoda (Ewan MacGregor and Frank Oz come back).

Rey learns lightsaber skills, Force skills, and has a vision quest thing where she talks with Maz Kanata (unsure if it's telepathy or just a dream) and Hayden Christensen. The latter tells her that she is him, but different, and there's a quick scene where we see hundreds of other Force ghosts who are implied to be past chosen ones.

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To put it simply: a chosen one pops up in the universe when there's a disturbance in the Force. First it was Anakin, now it's Rey, which is why they were both so skilled. It also explains why Luke is reluctant to train her, as children of the Force have more power but also find it harder to control, and he doesn't want to be responsible for a second Vader. But that means Rey is the reincarnation of Anakin, and basically Luke's dad.

Apparently she may have been a survivor of the attack on the Jedi Academy as someone else theorized. I personally love this angle, because I loved Neo in the Matrix and every other movie with ultra powerful Avatars brought back to right wrongs. The Chosen One can't end with Anakin, that would be so lame. It would've worked if the Empire was vanquished and the Jedi recovered post VI, but neither of those happened. The Light Side is in a real bad way right now and they need some serious help.

Woolygimp_sl said:

Almost everyone's guesses about Episode VII were wrong except one person on Reddit LouEvil. His speculation and spoilers were spot on, including Ren being Solo's son and killing him in the Third Act. If there's anyone to trust, it would be him because supposedly he's connected someway to the production team.

These are his episode VIII spoilers.logo copy 15

Luke knows who Ren is. She's Anakin. She's the force. She's there to correct the wrongs. Luke wasn't searching for the first temple, he was searching for clues as to how this process works. Luke is related to Rey, but Luke says to her,"You are my father."
Pablo Hidalgo also confirmed that Rey will face a much stronger struggle to resist the Dark Side than Ren. Snoke also knows her power, the history, and wanted her to kill Ren on the planet so that she would turn. It doesn't stop there, and it's going to be a battle over the Chosen One's fate.



To put it simply: a chosen one pops up in the universe when there's a disturbance in the Force. First it was Anakin, now it's Rey, which is why they were both so skilled. It also explains why Luke is reluctant to train her, as children of the Force have more power but also find it harder to control, and he doesn't want to be responsible for a second Vader. But that means Rey is the reincarnation of Anakin, and basically Luke's dad.

Apparently she may have been a survivor of the attack on the Jedi Academy as someone else theorized. I personally love this angle, because I loved Neo in the Matrix and every other movie with ultra powerful Avatars brought back to right wrongs. The Chosen One can't end with Anakin, that would be so lame. It would've worked if the Empire was vanquished and the Jedi recovered post VI, but neither of those happened. The Light Side is in a real bad way right now and they need some serious help.

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I can dig it

There's something else to Luke's disappearance than "Oh I feel guilty, and I really don't care that the Dark Side is about to wipe out the Resistance, The New Republic, and basically the known galaxy, because one of my apprentices betrayed me, boo fucking hoo." That's not Luke Skywalker. The only thing that would keep Skywalker away is he was seeking guidance on what to do with a being capable of single handedly bringing order or chaos to the entire galaxy. He was trying to learn; everything we know about Luke is that he wouldn't just abandon his friends in a time of great need. He knew the Republic's been destroyed, and yet he waited. Supposedly, I think it's confirmed that he already knows Han is dead. Luke risked it all for his friends throughout the OT, and this new Luke that is just hiding makes absolutely no sense for his character.

Rey is supernaturally good pilot without having ever piloted a starship.
Anakin was a supernaturally good pilot without having ever piloted a starship.

Rey is an amazing mechanic able to fix the Falcon extremely quickly without knowing hardly anything about YT Freighters or the Falcon, and she fixes the ship, something that Han Solo couldn't do during Episode V.
Anakin was a genius when it came to building droids, podracers, and other feats of great mechanical prowess.
Rey knows things about ships, systems, and mechanical processes that she couldn't possibly know because she hasn't received the education of experience. How could she know about those fuses on Han's large freighter?

Rey can speak almost any language even though she's been stuck in a desert her entire life. How the fuck could she possibly speak Wookie?! Massive plot hole unless...
Anakin programmed C-3PO a protocol droid capable of speaking thousands of languages. He too was able to speak almost every language in the galaxy without any education.

Rey learns the force without being trained.
Anakin learns the force without being trained.

Rey is able to become extremely powerful in a short period of time.
Anakin blew up a capital ship at the age of 8.
(Maz Kanata is a force sensitive but despite being a thousand years old has NO FORCE POWERS. Nobody except Anakin has developed force powers without training, except Ren. BIG HINT!!!)

Rey was able to fix almost every problem she faced, or answer almost any question posed to her except her origins. She never once muttered the line, "I don't know." except when telling Finn that she didn't know she just mindfucked that Stormtrooper into letting her go.

Rey can't be some just random force sensitive, she's going to be epic. There's no reason for her receiving the education necessary to be a verifiable genius in every single area that Anakin excelled at. Not to mention, when she put on that rebel fighter helmet near the AT-AT, that gave off some serious Anakin vibes. I think there's an exact scene in TPM when Anakin first puts on a fighter pilot helmet and has that same look.

She also has a really weird and strange attachment to Anakin's saber, and the Skywalker legacy but it just doesn't make sense for her to be Luke's daughter.

Sacel_sl said:

I can dig it

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I really feel in my heart that I'm right about Plagueis being Snoke or Rey being Anakin. I might not be right on both accounts, but I know that I'm right on at least one. The evidence is mounting that Rey really is Anakin, and having another Chosen One, struggling just like Anakin did, would be a great story. Especially if Ren himself saves her from one of his own men, or something along those lines, and she starts to feel conflicted.

It's absolutely confirmed that she's going to be facing some REAL heavy fucking trials and tribulations by Dark powers wishing to convert her... Why go through all that effort for just another Force Sensitive? And what does the "Force Awakens" really mean, and is she really so attuned that Snoke/Palpatine (in the teaser voiceover) say, "There's been an awakening, do you feel it?" Something's going on with this girl...

If this is true, I can't wait to see where they take it. I just hope Luke survives.

Hey I got a story about an orphan, but he's really important, and only he can use a special sword. One day he'll grow up and kill Foozle.

-Every hack ever

Tennyson, Atilla the Hun, those guys knew what they were doing. Lucas not so much.

Miguex_sl said:

Rey learns the force without being trained.
Anakin learns the force without being trained.

Dude, she was trained. You can follow all the full retard threads you want, but everyone is fan-ficing this. Its not that complicated.
Anakin learned the force without being trained in THE WORST STAR WARS MOVIE EVER.

keep writing novels though. You don't get it.

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Maz Kanata is a thousand years old and is a force sensitive. She can't use the force because she hasn't been trained. It still stands that even if you didn't like TPM, it's still canon. Maybe she was trained, maybe she wasn't. I don't see anything to say that she was.

But how is she so proficient with every ship, machine, and mechanical device that she has come into contact with? You know kind of like the boy who built two very advanced droids as a slave?
And how does she know how to speak every fucking god damn language in the universe, just like Anakin. Were they giving here Wookie classes on Jakku in between her struggling just to provide enough food to eat?

Take away the fact that she's a bumbling little girl and she comes off as pretty fucking omnipotent as far as everything within her grasp. There isn't a single thing she wasn't able to do in the entire movie. Not one. This girl may as well have been a god.

Let's see, after spending her childhood on a desert planet with little to no education she's able to...

Completely outfly and punk the shit out of two trained Tie-Fighter pilots using a starship, something that she's never even flown before. Yeah, I jump in airplanes all the fucking time and could probably go toe to toe with a couple Russian Migs!
(Remember Finn could not pilot a TIE even though he was a trained Stormtrooper. This girl is a trained??? Scavenger. Not even close to a combat pilot.)

Knows how to fix everything from the hyperdrive to a gas leak.

Good with a staff, and blaster. The blaster without even knowing how to operate the safety.

Knows how to operate the completely random freighter that she had never seen before, and operate it's fuse panel (even though she makes a mistake for comic relief).

Knows how to hide from the Stormtroopers on Starkiller by opening some kind of storage panel.

Knows how to speak every language posed to her.

Knows how to escape from Ren's grasp, even when she says, "I don't know how I did it."

Has a connection with Anakin's saber.

Is able to force pull that saber over Kylo Ren and into her own hands.

Then proceeds to beat the fuck out of him after he says the words, "the force"

MOST IMPORTANTLY, HAS FORCE VISIONS. NAME THE OTHER JEDI WITH FORCE VISIONS THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY WITNESSED....

And so on, and so forth. Just keep an open mind guys, that's all I ask. Admit it's at least fucking possible. Louevil hasn't posted a spoiler that didn't have weight yet and I suggest you look at his pre-EP VII history before you criticize me.

The prequels were not as terrible as you make them out to be, but you're an idiot if you think they are discarding every single concept that GL laid out in them. The movies may have been bad, but the way that Anakin was slowly corrupted was brilliant and so were many of the ideas.

The Chosen One is canon, regardless of the contempt that Abrams has for the pre-quels. There is a very good chance that this girl is Anakin. Again, just look at Louevil's Episode VII spoilers and he was the only person I can think of who was on the money as far as what happened with the major characters. He's saying she's Anakin, and I believe him.

If Rey is just a random force sensitive, then holy fuck does this movie go from really good to really fucking shit. There's absolutely no reason for this girl to kick as much ass as she does unless there's something instrinsically great about her because she's basically she's got more information than the god damn Jedi Archives inside her head despite being in a shithole without an education, or training, since she was six.

I bet those Polynesians who were stuck on Pacific Islands routinely knew how to speak Japanese, English, Russian, African Dialects, Swedish, German, Bolivian, and fucking Eskimo... just because. Anakin naturally knew every language in the galaxy because he was born of the Force, which binds all living things. This girl shows the same skillset down to a fucking T. Rewatch TPM and compare early Anakin to Rey.

Look I'm not 100%. I can't be. But you're 100% I'm wrong. Open your god damn mind. Finn was actually educated. He knows about massacres, and events, and has other knowledge that a Stormtrooper might know. But he didn't know how to speak Wookie, how to fly ships, not to mention fixing them. Rey doesn't have any KNOWLEDGE of events (like the massacre with those alien things) but she knowseverythingelse like second nature.

This is either really, really, really shitty storytelling to a point that my mind just can't comprehend it, or she's Anakin. She's fucking omnipotent (to an extent), rewatch TFA. You're just too used to heroes being heroes, but the disparity between Rey and Finn is HUGE. Rey knows the how of things, but not the why.

Chosen one? Oh ffs!
Thanks but no thanks prequels.

Jait_sl said:

Hey I got a story about an orphan, but he's really important, and only he can use a special sword. One day he'll grow up and kill Foozle.

-Every hack ever

Tennyson, Atilla the Hun, those guys knew what they were doing. Lucas not so much.

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herosjourney.txt

So this is Avatar now? Okay. (Even have the long line of past incarnations).

Damn, how do you find time, or motive, to write these walls of text posts??

You'll write one, a wall of text. Get a few responses of "meh, doubt it"

So then go on to write another wall of text post to counter that.

Oh well . . . meh.

Woolygimp_sl said:

The prequels were not as terrible as you make them out to be, but you're an idiot if you think they are discarding every single concept that GL laid out in them...

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Your hokey religion based on a couple of good but now ancient films is no match for something new and good.

This is the bottom line with Star Wars:

A New Hope is good fun as long as it doesn't have the updated CGI.
Empire is great.
Jedi is cringe-inducing except for the Emperor fight and nostalgic wrap-up.
All of the prequels are trash.
Force Awakens is passable (3PO interrupting Han and Leia makes it), but the film isn't really worth re-watching.

Lucas had a good basic idea that a lot of people helped refine to make the first two films. But he does soulless work otherwise. Williams' music and the animatronics were much more important to Star Wars.

Disney is like carbonite for intellectual property; Star Wars will never get better, but it will never die.