Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)

Woolygimp is at the super saiyan 3 stage of full retard.

Woolygimp_sl said:

Almost everyone's guesses about Episode VII were wrong except one person on Reddit LouEvil. His speculation and spoilers were spot on, including Ren being Solo's son and killing him in the Third Act. If there's anyone to trust, it would be him because supposedly he's connected someway to the production team.

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Luke knows who Ren is. She's Anakin. She's the force. She's there to correct the wrongs. Luke wasn't searching for the first temple, he was searching for clues as to how this process works. Luke is related to Rey, but Luke says to her,"You are my father."
Pablo Hidalgo also confirmed that Rey will face a much stronger struggle to resist the Dark Side than Ren. Snoke also knows her power, the history, and wanted her to kill Ren on the planet so that she would turn. It doesn't stop there, and it's going to be a battle over the Chosen One's fate.



To put it simply: a chosen one pops up in the universe when there's a disturbance in the Force. First it was Anakin, now it's Rey, which is why they were both so skilled. It also explains why Luke is reluctant to train her, as children of the Force have more power but also find it harder to control, and he doesn't want to be responsible for a second Vader. But that means Rey is the reincarnation of Anakin, and basically Luke's dad.

Apparently she may have been a survivor of the attack on the Jedi Academy as someone else theorized. I personally love this angle, because I loved Neo in the Matrix and every other movie with ultra powerful Avatars brought back to right wrongs. The Chosen One can't end with Anakin, that would be so lame. It would've worked if the Empire was vanquished and the Jedi recovered post VI, but neither of those happened. The Light Side is in a real bad way right now and they need some serious help.

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I hope that isn't true, seems so fucking boring.

Have they secretly cast McConaughey and Harrelson in some sort of roles because this is some TD S1 levels of theorycrafting going on here. The idea of Rey ending up being Tranakin Skywalker is so bad it's almost comedic.

The esteemed LouEvil who posted that on reddit said he didn't believe it was true himself and it's been tagged as debunked.

Woolygimp is basically a Star Wars truther.

Zindan_sl said:

I hope that isn't true, seems so fucking boring.

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Well then I think we need to rethink our K-12 educational system and instead have kids scavenge from junkyards all day long to feed themselves and it will turn them into verifiable Einsteins capable of jumping into military aircraft, fixing any vehicle, and even knowing about Gavinrad's chronic case of Hemorrhoids from stressing so much over my posts.

If Rey is just another fucking shitty force sensitive, then Luke has to be the hero of this series for it to be any fun because I want to see some new force powers, ffs. I also want to see someone kick some real ass. Mark Hamill is almost Alec Guiness' age and isn't exactly in great shape so it's a given that Rey is the real protagonist. If there's no explanation for her being a super badass, then that will be boring. I don't want another Ezra Bridger or some bullshit like that.

'There can be no balance without the Jedi.' There aren't any Jedi, still. Anakin didn't do his job. Luke didn't do his job. Rey is going to restart the Jedi order, but just be some fucking person who probably wouldn't have made it to Master because she really has no reason to be super "force attuned"? That is fucking boring. Her enemy is a trained Skywalker? Unless Ren really does switch back over to the light... (which is possible and hinted at), then it makes no sense, and only Ren could possibly restart the Order.

Prequels would have been great had they centered on Obi-Wan.

You guys actually read those aspie walls of text?

Ambiturner_sl said:

You guys actually read those aspie walls of text?

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I've been feeding them to the mouse scroll wheel but I did read some of the article he linked and the associated reddit post.

If some of these theories are even remotely true, this sounds like a terrible ripoff of the terrible Matrix sequels. Holy shit.

Edit: Just realized woolygimp referenced The Matrix. Jesus Christ.

I usually leave nerds alone as I'm a nerd too. I'm not own a million comics and spend my days and nights fighting over Captain America's shoe size nerd but I do love fantasy/sci fi shit.
Still when I see people like Wooly make book long posts over crazy shit it always reminds me of of this old audio clip.
Leaving it as a link just for sake of listen to it if you will but it'll probably rustle a Jimmy or two. It's Bobcat and 3 minutes long on extreme nerdism.
Bobcat Goldthwait - Star Wars Geeks - YouTube

Not really a nerd, but I do like Star Wars and I'm intrigued by the creative direction they'll take with the film. Most people were, especially with all the lead up to TFA.

Back in 1983, Return of the Jedi director Richard Marquand spoke about the future of Star Wars in an intriguing interview with Prevue magazine in 1983. It was already clear even then that Lucasfilm would eventually make prequels (referred to as preludes back then in several interviews), and yes, a third trilogy to conclude the story with Episode IX.

?If you follow the direction, and project into the final trilogy, you realise that you?re going to meet the supreme intellect, and you think how is it possible to create a man who has such profound cunning that he can not only control Darth Vader, but the fate of Luke Skywalker? Control the destiny of the whole galaxy? You?ll be amazed!?

Even in the ?80s, Lucas had envisioned there being another player behind-the-scenes of original trilogy story who had been in control the whole time. It was therefore this that Lucas had build into the prequels to eventually touch on later when he first started working on Episode VII.

When Disney acquired Lucasfilm in 2012, they were initially working with George Lucas still to keep him available as a consultant. Lucas had treatments already made for Episodes VII, VIII, and IX (potentially even X, XI, and XII) that he gave to Disney but his ideas were at least partly scrapped and he ended up having nothing to do with the production of The Force Awakens or its frequently evolving script.

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Plagueis would have been this Supreme Intellect and it's unlikely all of GL's idea's were scrapped as he was a consultant and was asked for his treatments for VII-IX.

Considering how pissy Lucas was when TFA came out about them not using his ideas I'd say it's a good bet they were largely ignored.

Woolygimp_sl said:

Not really a nerd, but I do like Star Wars and I'm intrigued by the creative direction they'll take with the film...

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It's ok to be a nerd with conceits. For example, I would like to see Thrawn as the chief bad guy, and I would like to see Nathan Fillion as the new scoundrel. Eh, what am I saying...I want Firefly and not Star Wars anymore.

Royal_sl said:

Considering how pissy Lucas was when TFA came out about them not using his ideas I'd say it's a good bet they were largely ignored.

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Well this is definitely worth a view.Star Wars Theory | Snoke's Identity CONFIRMED?! - Jon Solo | AlloCine.Club

I'm totally behind this theory. All Sith have names that match their traits and personality.

Plagueis refers to a "plague".

What if the secret to immortality is that he has to sacrifice his own body, when he dies, to continue his existence? When Palpatine kills him, he transfers to Palpatine. When Palpatine is killed by Vader, his consciousness is tranferred to Vader's body, which would explain why he shares so many of Vader's scars and subsequent burns. So basically Plagueis has been the villain all along, fooling his apprentices, and would definitely explain why Palpatine recalls Plagueis in such a fond light.


This allows the creative team to say that Snoke isn't Plagueis, because Snoke really is just Snoke...but probably has Vader's body.

That would also go a long way in explaining his name, and the "Supreme Intellect" that GL refers to. There are hints in the OT and prequels as this could easily be the Supreme Intellect that Lucas thought up.
The energy you see after Sidious dies is Plagueis entering Vader's body. He does have Vader's scars and burn wounds consistent with the funeral pyre. Anakin was created by Plagueis as the perfect body. He just didn't anticipate Anakin's wounds, and that's why he wants Luke as an apprentice (because of his body).

That's why the really awesome Plagueis' novel was made non-canon. This guy hasn't been in the shadows for the last 60 years, he's been at the helm of it all.

It's a stretch, but holy fuck would it be awesome. The heroes have to find a way to kill his consciousness lest he kept resurrecting into bodies of those who betray him. The ultimate villain would this guy who is probably the most force attuned player ever.

Just watch the video. Before you are like, "bullshit" understand that George Lucas thought everything through from the beginning. If there was a Supreme Intellect, who else would it besides a Dark Side user who could transfer his spirit to new bodies? After all, why did the Emperor emit all that energy when being thrown down the shaft, we've never seen that before, or again. He's the only villain to die, where that strange energy is released. No other Dark Side user dies like that.

If this was GL's intended underlying plot point from the original Star Wars to when he sold the rights to Disney, they aren't throwing that shit away. There's just no way. It's too awesome, one of Lucas' good ideas, and there are already too many hints. Explains almost everything about Snoke, his age, his power, and why someone as powerful as Plagueis would allow his apprentice to just kill him in sleep. He seems very Emperor-like to me, and seems to have the same manipulative qualities. Balance can't be obtained until he actually really dies, which opens the door to Rey being someone noteworthy. She may be Luke's daughter as it's confirmed that Luke knows who she is on Ach-To. Also concept art shows a hooded figure (like a Jedi) with a women as they're leaving her on Jakku, so she's either Luke's daughter or (as Louevil said, was at the Jedi Academy but Luke saved her, and then dropped her off on Jakku) another reincarnation. Her being Luke's daughter would be cheesy as fuck, but it's either that or she's Anakin. One of the two.

Woolygimp_sl said:

The prequels were not as terrible as you make them out to be...

...the way that Anakin was slowly corrupted was brilliant and so were many of the ideas.

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Really? REALLY?

I'm pretty sure he's Lucas guys.

The plot of the prequels was great. The execution and character development were terrible. The villains should have been made more menacing and not stupid looking aliens, and the trilogy should have focused more on Obi-Wan because Ewan McGregor is a fucking awesome actor.

Just watch the last video I linked. I think that may have been what Lucas intended, and if it is do you think Disney would scrap it? Why did the Emperor emit that strange energy? We've seen tons of people fall down shafts before, Han Solo didn't release a huge ball of light. Nor did Darth Maul, etc.

Star Wars Theory | Snoke's Identity CONFIRMED?! - Jon Solo | AlloCine.Club
[ALL STAR WARS SPOILERS] Darth Plagueis is just what his name implies : FanTheories

Cmon, it's possible, right? I'll shut up because you guys think that Abrams isn't going to try to come in with some super twist, and that everything will be extra predictable. Snoke is just some random powerful guy who's been around for about a hundred years, yet never appeared before. Rey is Luke's daughter. The flashbacks and connection to the saber mean nothing. Anakin was the chosen one and fulfilled the prophecy. Blah, blah. Episode VIII.
Sounds like fun. While we're at it, let's have 30 minutes of the movie be holo-chess between Chewbacca and Finn.

This story was thought up 35 years ago, and there's a lot of money around it. There's going to be shit linking Episode 1 to 9, regardless as to your opinion of the PT, or what Abrams said. There just is.

We know all this, but why does Palpatine, a man who apparently murdered Plagueis, speak so fondly of him? He recounts Plagueis' murder as a 'tragedy' and even enables him the title 'The Wise'. Is this all just a way to seduce Anakin to the Dark Side? Or is it something even darker?

During Palpatine's attempted arrest by the Jedi Council led by Jedi Master Mace Windu, Palpatine is injured by his own Force Lightning ability when it's plasma beams are reflected by Windu's lightsaber. Despite this, he seems rather untroubled by the idea that he is now a living nightmare of a man. Its as if, despite being a Sith and fueled by passion and mortal possession, he doesn't care about his own body. During his conversation with Anakin in the following scene, his eyes and voice change many times, rather drastically, something that is not seen again in the entire saga.

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Throughout the Star Wars Saga, the Sith Lords have taken to naming themselves after certain aspects of their personality. Darth Sidious causes gradual decay to the Republic and those around him over time. Darth Maul is savage and brutal and prefers to, ahem, Maul his opponents. Darth Vader, when pronounced in German (actually Dutch), literally translates to Darth Father. Darth Tyranus is a tyrant of the Separatist movement. Why would the same not apply to Darth Plagueis?

Darth Plagueis did solve the problem of Immortality, and has been jumping from body to body for however long, lying to his apprentices to lure them to the Dark Side to be ideal hosts for his Dark spirit, which has become a parasitic life-form draining from the force, a Plague.

Once Anakin's more powerful (light-side) spirit had fully left his body, Plagueis took possession of it on Endor out of sheer desperation to remain alive.

This I don't know about but is interesting:
This is where Kylo Ren comes in. As other theories state, Kylo may be a sort of 'Double Agent' for the Jedi, convincingly feigning his intentions to get close to Snoke/Plagueis. Then, when Plagueis is cornered and has no other body to possess, he will be wiped from the Universe, and the Force will finally be balanced. 'I will finish what you started.'

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Explains why he killed Han in the manner he did, but Ren/Luke/Han being in on a plan is... really out there. But Star Wars characters have lied before. I really don't know about the Kylo part, that's a little too crazy.

See my next post regarding Vader's mask.

Now look where Snoke's face was burned and disfigured, especially around the mouth area. Holy fuck, that's almost precisely where Vader's mask seems to have sustained the most damage and confirms that the mask did not burn. Also perfectly explains how Ren now has possession of it, because Snoke is Vader's body.

Do you guys not see how that mask literally masks Snoke's face perfectly? Everything from the wound to the right eye, to the slight burns on the left lip, to the severe disfigurement of the right cheek?

That's one hell of a fucking coincidence, on top of the obvious slash wound on the right temple, if Snoke isn't Vader's body. The entire right side of the mask is gone, just like Snoke's face!

Stupid theory is stupid. The scars are not even in the same place.

Woolygimp_sl said:

That's one hell of a fucking coincidence

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Or it was an intentional design decision as a conceptual throwback to the first trilogy