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TvT is strange again. It seems coinflippy once more. The only viable builds, imo, are:

Standard 111 make tanks
Gas-before 111 make cloakshee
CC first

With CC first you can get enough marines to stop 111 tanks but would probably die if the Terran just went 3rax 1fac 0port after seeing CC.
Gas-before 111 counters standard 111 tanks which counters every other build.

For the most part I go 12/13/15. Make 1 marine, reactor. Gas at 75m (which I think comes before Reactor.) Make Fact, make port. Make marines+tank and push. Make viking from port which will arrive around the same time as your 7 marines + 1 tank. Rally everything to opponent front.

For some reason the TvT meta hasn't yet shifted away from building your shit as a wall at front. So my tank just rips down their 2 depots for free while I slow push to better positioning. I get my 2vikes and camp his port then make a vac and poke with rines. Then win.

Its gay as fuck.
 
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LMAO game3 YoDa vs Nerchio. Nerchio goes Ultras at hive. Misclicks and builds a second Infestor Pit. He realizes it after the building finishes. He then builds a third Pit.
 
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That was painful to watch, he was playing pretty even but the nerves led to his downfall in games 2 and 3.
 
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Worst part is he'd still have won if he wasn't missing every single inject cycle
 
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IEMs are always strange. I honestly can't believe Vortix and Snute didn't make it out of groups. I don't think the Infestor nerf was that bad.
 
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I was watching games here and there and there was a lot of sloppy play, the level is definitely not as high as IPL/GSL and believe it or not, people adapt and play against the dominant race better over time.
 
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Is there less retarded way to win in HotS PvP than just massing VRs ?

So much stupid cheese, I'm almost ashamed what I lost to. PvP on cloud kingdom, steals both of my gases, so I make like 4 zealots, forge and mothership core and expand with that, TC for charge and additional 5 gates for 6gate charge timing with archons behind that. Apparently he tried to be gay with blink stalkers and mothership core on 1 base, so I just dropped the photon cannon on my nexus and thanks my gateway finishing by the time the buff ended, I just knocked him out of my base because chargelot>stalker, I have no clue how THAT was supposed to work. At least the guy who floated factory into my base and rallied a spidermine into my probe line gets props for originality. PROTIP: Don't try to kill spider mines with probes before it burrows...
 
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It really concerns me that the big names playing HoTS aren't really using the new units. I saw aStephano replayyesterday where he only made lings, roach, and hydra. He took some serious gambles and still dominated.

I liked that Broodwar changed the game to the degree that just about every Zerg made lurkers, every Terran made medics, and every Protoss made Corsairs. HoTS just hasn't had the same impact. A month and a half from release and I still have serious doubts that this expansion will revolutionize the game like Blizzards other RTS expansion have.

Granted, anyone who still plays will be playing with the new expansion, but there just seems to be something fundamentally lacking with HoTS. None of the new units are all that sexy. I think Blizzard is afraid to go all-out with HoTS because they know they have a 3rd expansion to launch within the next two years. They are holding back.
 
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You have to keep in mind most people are more comfortable with WoL strategies. There really aren't units like medic and lurker being added which are very fundamental and fill a huge need. Iirc until Bisu (??) did DT/Corsair the Corsair was considered a worthless unit in BW, right?

We're starting to see a big shift in Terrans using Hellbats as a key unit. Probably because they got overbuffed. Toss are using Tempests in most PvZ and Oracles fill a good early game harassment role. Vipers shut down Terran mech so hard it isn't even funny. But if you want to see a completely different game if you tune into HoTS you're right -- it isn't. Perhaps the meta just needs to evolve.
 
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Well, none of the toss units are really that staple and well rounded to make you not want to build stalkers and so on. Mothership core is kinda cool, but since it doesn't have detection so you certainly shouldn't build it blindly. Oracles cost fuckton of gas if you mess up with them you open yourself to some nasty timings and they don't even provide the anti drop presence of phoenixes. Tempests are nice and shiny, but t3 air unit isn't going to change much when all I see are 2-3 base allins.

I have been doing a lot of phoenix openings in PvT, drops seem to be all the rage and they fuck them up nicely and then you can grab a few mules for free.
 
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Pretty much every Toss I've faced on the ladder blindly makes the MSC. Just let it sit there for a bit and it gets enough energy to make your natural unassailable. Also what terrans are you playing that don't instantly build a turret in their mineral line the second stargate is scouted? Oracles are way too destructive to not invest the 100m to stop them completely.

I feel like the MSC should be changed so it's overcharge ability leashes it to the Nexus for it's duration and if the MSC is either dead or not on the leash the ability goes away. Right now it is fairly stupid how greedy a Toss can play behind a MSC.
 
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When are you usually online Zaphid I have a few things I want to try out vP. My entire winning streak is on the back of I haven't played a Protoss in 10+ games.
 
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I'm still freestyling my games or using old WoL builds, but I'd be down for something tomorrow. You just need to tell me whether I need to get up early or stay up late because of timezones. Zaphid.795
 
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Lets try and get together later this week Zap. I'm having a hell week at work and not sure if I'll get home and be in the mood to grind some games out.
 
Zaphid

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k, PM me here or tell me a few hours in advance since I'm trying to maintain relatively reasonable sleep schedule so I don't think I'll still be awake by the time you get home.
 
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and let the final season of WoL GSL commence! Sad to see Creator already get knocked down, but it was kind of expected. Zerg too imba (He said that in his twitter following the games lol)

I'm hoping MVP, NesTea or MKP do well this season, be awesome if one of those three close out the final WoL GSL.
 
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