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Tenks

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Cloak banshee would basically mean you have only marines out on the field. Marines are pretty terrible to deal with the blink all-in. So while the Banshee would be nice it doesn't provide the same level of zoning the tank gives you. And since banshee do nice DPS but not fantastic having one shelling away on blink stalkers means your marines will get raped then your mineral line will get raped in the process. The cloak would wear off far before you could really thwart the all-in. I'd imagine the best use of if you go cloak banshee would be to send it to your opponent's mineral line and try and stop more stalkers from getting produced while making bunkers at home.

I'd also have to run the timings but I think it would be really hard to push out cloak as well.
 
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1/1/1 into expand seems stupidly powerful with 90-second cloak research and the cost reduction. Before, if you opened 1/1/1 you wouldn't actually have 300 gas when the starport finished, so cloak research would be significantly delayed. Now you can start them both immediately, and cloak finishes faster. Cloak will finish 15-20 seconds before the first observer is out against a standard gate core nexus gate gate robo opener, allowing you to do a lot of damage. I'm not sure what Protoss is supposed to do, as gate core nexus robo is inviting a Terran that did a standard opening to just pull a bunch of workers and come kill your expansion.
 
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I think the cloaking cost reduction from 200/200 to 100/100 is really smart. It was way too big an investment, when only 1 or 2 banshees were ever going to make it out on the field. The time reduction is a bit more problematic and will force even better scouting. Well hidden proxy Shipyards could be nasty.
 
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Xequecal_sl said:
1/1/1 into expand seems stupidly powerful with 90-second cloak research and the cost reduction. Before, if you opened 1/1/1 you wouldn't actually have 300 gas when the starport finished, so cloak research would be significantly delayed. Now you can start them both immediately, and cloak finishes faster. Cloak will finish 15-20 seconds before the first observer is out against a standard gate core nexus gate gate robo opener, allowing you to do a lot of damage. I'm not sure what Protoss is supposed to do, as gate core nexus robo is inviting a Terran that did a standard opening to just pull a bunch of workers and come kill your expansion.
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Maybe you should hallucinate a phoenix and figure out its coming and drop a cannon? Pretty much how Terran deals with cloak banshee in TvT only scan/ebay/turret.
 
Zaphid

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Last time I checked 1/1/1 with marine/tank/banshee can run into stargate openings and die horribly, oracle + phoenix shuts down banshees so badly and you shouldn't have problem holding the subsequent push with MsC.

Seems like another edition of "Xequecal's broken builds nobody ever loses to"
 
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I think it'll be nice because it's just another potential harass unit Terran can use in any matchup. Everybody says just throw 1 cannon in the mineral line and you'll be fine, but that's not necessarily true since you can still sit outside the cannon/spore/turret attack/vision range and kill workers. Hopefully we see Terran picking up a few of them and just using them to harass more often. Maybe it'll be viable to grab a few to try to take out swarm hosts if zerg is massing them. Or to fly in and snipe templars at expansions to allow your medivac to safely drop.

Either way, Banshee play is awesome. Hope it goes through.
 
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You could say the same thing about Oracles but it doesn't really work that way. A single cannon/turret shuts either down completely. The detection radius makes it so the Banshee can't safely pick off from the sides the only real way to make it work is with dead space between bases.
 
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Not sure if they should advertise on the HSC stream that they are allowing players to bet on themselves for real money. I mean Pete Rose isn't in the MLB HOF because he bet on his own team. I don't think any professional player should go anywhere close to an esports betting site.
 
Zaphid

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Pretty much, what stops him from convincing MC to throw and split the cash, he will still make it out of the group ez. Well, MC is korean, so it's very unlikely, but next time ...

They need to curb this crap right here and now. Call r/starcraft
 
Zaphid

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I presume when they don't bet on themselves they don't announce it to the whole world ...

Fuck, have a friend do it
 
Zaphid

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Apparently the Warp Prism changes are live, expect your region to patch within the next 24 hours.

Warp Prism movement speed increased from 2.5 to 2.953.
Acceleration increased from 2.125 to 2.625
 
Sidian

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Anyone been watching HSC? Three liquid players in the top 4. Hyun, Snute, TLO & Taeja. I'd love for TLO to win the whole thing but unfortunately I'm don't want a ZvZ grand finals so instead I'm rooting for Taeja. I actually didn't watch HSC at all days 1 or 2 and I caught maybe 1/4 of the games yesterday.
 
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I watched a decent amount. It seems like they lost their mojo somewhat this time around. It wasn't quite as slapstick and funny as normal. The games were also pretty sub-par. And only one Terran in ro8 lead to me jumping ship. If it is Taeja vs Hyun finals I may tune in.
 
Zaphid

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I watched a game here and there, it's good but not the tournament people will talk about for years like last Dreamhack. Being 4th weekend event in a row or so and midsummer in EU also doesn't help. Since it's almost all invitations, the quality of games obviously isn't that great.
 
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