I know you are talking about purely engineering triumphs, but if you watch the documentary the CFO of Apple really saved the company right before that when they came back with the Imacs. Jobs threw him under the bus years later when they were under heavy investigation for backdated stocks. Something Jobs never got prosecuted for.
Steve Jobs: The Man in the Machine
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You really need to watch this documentary , and open your eyes. Steve was the ultimate sales man, and that is it. The Imac, the Iphone, and the Ipod were never amazing feats of technology. We had cell phones, we had music players, and we had personal computers. All Steve did was make it look like art, and sold it really well telling the zombies you need this item to validate your life.
He has literally been stealing and manipulating from the people around him since day one, and conning the public into thinking he was some kind of technology genius.
Jobs should have went to jail many times. That is still a mystery how our government allowed him to operate the way he did considering all the companies money was out of the country, and Apple wasn't paying taxes on any of it. Not to mention the collusion, and illegal stock purchases.
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I don't think I need my eyes open. My point is Steve Jobs methods, regardless of ethical, credible, truthful, false, or whatever, spearheaded a successful company. You cannot have his titles or be in his position without having some influence and leave your mark on a company like Apple. I was saying that whatever he did created a unique company that I have a positive experience with professionally and as a consumer.
It's the same way with Disney. You can read or watch accounts of people stating that Disney is comparable to a prison as an employer. However, they are largest employer in the world and the most visited place on planet earth. You may not like them or agree with their decisions but you have to give them credit.
I'm not claiming Jobs is a saint, a genius, or even talented. I'm simply saying Apple is successful, they do great work when their products suit your needs, and at their most successful points, he was in charge.
Rofl, not in the same ball park. Apples China instillation was responsible for more deaths then any other company in history. Jobs was brought in front of investigators for it.
He was successful due to conning everyone in his life including our Government. In that he was special. I doubt anyone can get away with as much illegal stuff as he has , and still be revered by the public.
The only reason Apple was successful was Jobs, that is the only truth through all of this. It is synonymous
Even from the start, if it wasn't for Jobs stealing Wozs arcade board, and telling Atari he made it Woz would have probly never done half the things he is known for.
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Fuck you for baiting me into replying (I still won't quote you), but Jobs making everything look like art isexactly why people praise him. Everyone didn't flock to Apple products just because they were "zombies" and made to believe they needed a given product in their life. They wanted an iphone because an iphone was a user friendly, artistic expression of the potential of what a cellular device could be, not the utilitarian "call, text, email, and play Snake" shit we'd been dealing with for the 10-15 years before iphone's release.
Are you seriously so dense that you think the iphone was just a "me too" product instead of arguably the biggest lifestyle revolutionizing product in the last decade (or two)?
Are you seriously so dense that you think the iphone was just a "me too" product instead of arguably the biggest lifestyle revolutionizing product in the last decade (or two)?
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Are you under the impression that Apple invented the smart phone? Not only did they copy other companies designs for the phone but also poached their engineers. This is what Apple does. They take something that already exsists and repackage it to their cult. They have taken marketing to the next level and it is very impressive, but let's not pretend that they somehow invented anything besides proprietary cables that cost 5 times as much.
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I'm not pretending anything. Apple is like Blizzard. They don't invent anything; they take what's great about a product, refine it to its fundamental elements, and package it in a way that is very consumer friendly (and make a lot of money in the process).
Nobody is arguing that Apple invented the smart phone (or at least I'm not). I'm saying it doesn't matter who invented the smart phone because it didn't reach market saturation until the iphone made it approachable and something a consumer would actually want.
Are you under the impression that some other smart phone was the impetus for everyone you know having a smart phone?
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Well in my case the Original Iphone was such a steaming pile of fucking crap that I didn't get another smart phone till my current Galaxy S4. Apple is brilliant at marketing, you see their shit in every tv show and movie. I refuse to think that if Apple didn't exsist we would all be carrying around flip phones and shit. I think the hate is mostly because of the amount of credit they get for fucking everything.
I think a lot of you confuse apple today with apple when they suddenly became relevant again after almost going extinct.
I'm not apple fanboi, in fact I can't stand their products today. I won't touch the Ipod revolution because you'd have to be a retard to compare the Walkman to the iPod and not see apple moving the market forward.
That said back when the first Iphone launched you had Windows mobile and Palm OS as the big players in the mobile smartphone enthusiast market. Apple not only took what those others did they made it significantly better and improved it across the board.
I'm not sure if you fuckers remember the old plastic screens that would wear and you'd use a stylus on them? Well the Treo's all had them including windows mobile Treo 700WX (i think it was called) the 500 through the 650 . Do you remember trying to browse using Blazer or Pocket explorer? The experience was complete shit. There were not real app stores anyone would recognize today and everything was a hodgepodge of shit that barely worked.
Apple went in, put a glass touch screen which was huge form factor and usability wise and safari was light years ahead of anything we had seen on the market or saw on the mobile market until much later in time. The suite of apps like Mail, calendar and all the other stuff was second to none at the time. Itunes was also a huge step forward offering a one stop shop and is still copied and modeled after today. Back then, apple wasn't just a copier they advanced the market in significant ways. It wasn't until after the Iphone 3g that they started going back to their incremental updates and other companies started to not only catch up but surpass them.
Look, Apple is a shitty company now. They happen to have a great first mover advantage and sucked people into their eco system so its not trivial to leave now that you have so much invested in apps, songs, video etc. Despite this Android is still amazing and has steadily improved to the point where it is the market leader.
Apple today is nothing like the apple of Ipods and the first Iphones. Microsoft had how many years to copy Apple and Android and look what they came out with? How about Palm and their last grasp at hope with their Palm Pre how many years later? Blackberry, lol? The only company to surpass Apple has been Google. Had apple gone away the smart phone market would of certainly eventually gotten to this point but it would of been a much longer road.
You have to give Jobs credit for that. No one turns around companies like he did.
The guy may have been a gigantic dick head. I'm sure if people looked at my life they'd find quite a few things if I suddenly became a Steve Jobs and they decided to make a movie of my life I'd probably look like a giant douche. I'd bet the same is true for most people. Everyone has shit in the closet that wouldn't look good on the front page of the news paper.
I have no love for Jobs as a person or even his company, but I can respect what he accomplished as a business man and how Apple did move the smart phone market forward in a huge way. That said, fuck apple now.
I'm not apple fanboi, in fact I can't stand their products today. I won't touch the Ipod revolution because you'd have to be a retard to compare the Walkman to the iPod and not see apple moving the market forward.
That said back when the first Iphone launched you had Windows mobile and Palm OS as the big players in the mobile smartphone enthusiast market. Apple not only took what those others did they made it significantly better and improved it across the board.
I'm not sure if you fuckers remember the old plastic screens that would wear and you'd use a stylus on them? Well the Treo's all had them including windows mobile Treo 700WX (i think it was called) the 500 through the 650 . Do you remember trying to browse using Blazer or Pocket explorer? The experience was complete shit. There were not real app stores anyone would recognize today and everything was a hodgepodge of shit that barely worked.
Apple went in, put a glass touch screen which was huge form factor and usability wise and safari was light years ahead of anything we had seen on the market or saw on the mobile market until much later in time. The suite of apps like Mail, calendar and all the other stuff was second to none at the time. Itunes was also a huge step forward offering a one stop shop and is still copied and modeled after today. Back then, apple wasn't just a copier they advanced the market in significant ways. It wasn't until after the Iphone 3g that they started going back to their incremental updates and other companies started to not only catch up but surpass them.
Look, Apple is a shitty company now. They happen to have a great first mover advantage and sucked people into their eco system so its not trivial to leave now that you have so much invested in apps, songs, video etc. Despite this Android is still amazing and has steadily improved to the point where it is the market leader.
Apple today is nothing like the apple of Ipods and the first Iphones. Microsoft had how many years to copy Apple and Android and look what they came out with? How about Palm and their last grasp at hope with their Palm Pre how many years later? Blackberry, lol? The only company to surpass Apple has been Google. Had apple gone away the smart phone market would of certainly eventually gotten to this point but it would of been a much longer road.
You have to give Jobs credit for that. No one turns around companies like he did.
The guy may have been a gigantic dick head. I'm sure if people looked at my life they'd find quite a few things if I suddenly became a Steve Jobs and they decided to make a movie of my life I'd probably look like a giant douche. I'd bet the same is true for most people. Everyone has shit in the closet that wouldn't look good on the front page of the news paper.
I have no love for Jobs as a person or even his company, but I can respect what he accomplished as a business man and how Apple did move the smart phone market forward in a huge way. That said, fuck apple now.