Survivor

If Tony played the idol he can use until 4 at 5, but saved the idol he can only use at 5, he's a colossal moron who deserves to lose. You literally can't play them at any other time, so the only reason to keep them would be because of your ridiculous ego.

Trish's Ponderosa video is just yet another glaring example of why they need to separate these people after being voted out. Trish literally had no idea Tony voted her out (which is good gameplay on his part - even if she is gullible, he still played to that), but the butthurt jury members are meddling with her version of events.

Spencer has played a solid game, but I'm sick of people making excuses for him that he was behind the 8 ball the entire game. The truly great players manipulate their disadvantages into advantages. They don't get to sit there and play the sympathy card of, "Well, if I would've had the numbers and picked my shitty alliance members better, I would've been the greatest Survivor ever!". No, you picked bad alliance members (thus having a poor social game, as you read people wrong), and you've landed yourself in a position of being at a disadvantage. Great players work around that, plant seeds, and slowly sway votes/alliances. Solid players win a few immunities, keep their head low, let the majority eat themselves, and sometimes coast to the end, even winning the game at the hands of a butthurt jury. Bad players just give up and accept their fate.

Trish had Kass completely pegged. Kass is one of the most passive-aggressive people I've ever seen. That's exactly what she does - pits people against each other, then plays the victim. I'm sure it's a great strategy for the courtroom, it's even a pretty decent strategy for Survivor. However, it makes you a very unlikeable and intolerable human.

If Spencer gets to the end then Tony made at least 1 massive mistake. If Spencer doesn't make it to the end then Tony played well. It really hinges on that. Looks like he'll get Hantz'd either way, though. His only shot now is a final 2 VS Kass, and maybe that isn't even a guarantee with these butthurt idiots.

Adam12_sl said:

If Spencer gets to the end then Tony made at least 1 massive mistake. If Spencer doesn't make it to the end then Tony played well. It really hinges on that. Looks like he'll get Hantz'd either way, though. His only shot now is a final 2 VS Kass, and maybe that isn't even a guarantee with these butthurt idiots.

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I knew Kass was the largest wrench in Tony's plans. I even said that he should use the idols to brute force Kass out of the game, before Tasha, if needed (I think he still had Woo at that point). The issue is that now Kass might be his only option to win the thing, but a lot of that is because he kept her ass in the game.

I think you're right and a lot of the butthurt comes from Kass being kept over them, but I can't help but thinking that these people would be shitheads about it anyway. A bitter jury was inevitable with this group imo.

I really think Woo is going to win. He got the "winner's" edit with that trip to the school. "Look at how human he is! Oh, he's so sweet to those little children!". I think he'd probably even beat Spencer, honestly. Kass hates Spencer, Tony and Woo have been "buddies" from the beginning, and I think most(except Tasha) of the girls will vote for the "chill" guy.

With a final two, my avatar is very much in danger. Way to not listen to me and keep Kass around, Tony!

Avatars are 50/50 right now, lol. It looks like everyone wants Tony around at the end (except for maybe Spencer), so we'll see.

At this point, I will be content with the season if Tony or Spencer wins. Both have played very well in their own ways, been fun to watch.


Anybody seen the South African Survivor? This most recent season has been alot of fun to watch these past few days. I am not sure if the season is over, I am keeping myself from googling too much in case of spoilers. I was able to get S05E01 - S05E17 videos, and 1-10 has been pretty good, they use some different rules/special ideas that we haven't seen in the US version.

Grimey_sl said:

Too bad she had to turn the bitchiness up to 11. When you flip off a jury member that you just voted off that's called TERRIBLE SOCIAL GAMEPLAY.

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Yeah, Kass really lacks self-awareness. I thought maybe part of her plan was to make herself the villain to ensure she gets taken to the end, but it's become clear she doesn't realize that, as she's trying to make Tony look bad, she's making herself look twice as worse.

I just don't know why Tony flipped on her so fast. His whole reason for keeping her around was because she's completely unlikeable and knows Woo might get some votes, and then when she does something unlikeable, he decides she needs to go. If you want to take someone to the end because no one likes them, you sort of have to accept the fact that they are going to continue to be unlikeable - and that's not necessarily a bad thing as it just seals their fate. But Tony's problem has always been that he lets his emotions get in the way of strategy, which will quite possibly be the thing that costs him the game.

Zx88_sl said:

I didn't understand Tony's vote for Trish.... To me it made more sense to give her the idol and keep their 2 person alliance intact, while taking out Woo. I'd be interested in hearing his thought process for that vote.

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My only guess is Tony wanted to ensure he held onto his special idol. If Woo, Kass, and Spencer tried to blindside Tony and Tony gave his idol to Trish, he'd lose both idols. This way, any vote cast against him didn't count so there was no risk of the special idol having to be played, which allows him to try to convince the rest that he can play it the next vote.

But I agree with Adam12 that it would've been smarter to save Trish. Not only would it be a clear big move to the jury and allow him to sit next to someone he thinks he can beat at the end, but it would simultaneously put him in a stronger position than her. If she's only sitting at the final tribal council because Tony saved her, why should she win over him? Not to mention the fact that he knew he had Trish's undying loyalty making the next vote - at worst - a tie.

I think Tony trying to convince them he can play the special idol next vote is crazy. Surely the other Survivors know that an idol isn't going to take someone to F3/final tribal.

Valorath_sl said:

I think Tony trying to convince them he can play the special idol next vote is crazy. Surely the other Survivors know that an idol isn't going to take someone to F3/final tribal.

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Well, they have no idea what the special power is. Tony might just be able to pull it off, but usually the players are allowed (even encouraged) to ask the producers questions about rules. If someone were to ask "Hey, can he really use an idol at the final 4?" then I'm pretty sure they're contractually bound to answer the question.

I honestly just don't understand the timing of this move at all. It's not so much the move itself really, as it did make sense, but it just seemed way too early. Do I feel Tony had a need to get Trish out before F3 and ultimately the final tribal? Definitely, but at this point it just seems all it is going to do is solidify the jury against Tony. And he had the idols to insure that the vote went his way (well as much of his way as possible). While they have been entertaining, the last few episodes have had some pretty big blunders in my mind. Of course, I will admit this is somewhat tainted because I just want Woo out so badly to avoid another Natalie happening. Even as awful of a person/player Kass has been, at least she is PLAYING, and deserves the win more than Woo does in my opinion.

Before I watched the Ponderosa video I didn't think Woo had a chance in hell. Now I think he'd beat anyone but Spencer, and that's a damn shame.