Tenet (2020)

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Well, quite a lot of people spend way to much nerd-power trying to explain the "inverted Saab" in particular, lol.



But sure. That's a bare minimum leap of faith you have to do for this movie even on the first watch. I.e. one "artefact" the Tenet-team must've found at some point in the past would've been an "inverted, burned wrecked car" that keeps "un-rusting" and "un-decaying", which they would need to deposit on the highway in time to "un-crash" (or otherwise the Highways would've been blocked by a gradually un-decying inverted car-wrack prior to the inverse crash for some years).
 
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The simple explanation is they sent parts through, it wouldn't take long to rebuild a vehicle at all.

That's the tidy explanation I used for myself anyway.
 
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What if Sator had a secret off screen turnstyle that could invert entire cities?

Part 2?

Inverted Nuke can affect the past, scientist lady said so. Lets do Tenetwo WW2ersed
 
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Wait what? The boat was inverted?

More questions(it is truly an infinite well), what would happen to inverted animals?

Surely they would all just die? As a dog cant wear a fucking gas mask and oxygen tank. What about if you inverted a shark? It should theoretically survive under water even inverted, but would they swim backwards? What if you put a lady on a stretcher like they did with the tall blonde who was shot, but instead of being injured she was pregnant. How would an inverted birth work?
 
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Zweischneid said:
Sure they do. Otherwise there'd be no way the car on the highway would be able to do a reverse-crash. Lol. That's one of the main trailer-action-scenes selling points of the movie.


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They don't invert the cars nor boats.

They drive them normally from the drivers perspective.. and it looks backwards to people in the normal timeline. but it is just a regular car/boat.
 
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Jozu said:
Wait what? The boat was inverted?

More questions(it is truly an infinite well), what would happen to inverted animals?

Surely they would all just die? As a dog cant wear a fucking gas mask and oxygen tank. What about if you inverted a shark? It should theoretically survive under water even inverted, but would they swim backwards? What if you put a lady on a stretcher like they did with the tall blonde who was shot, but instead of being injured she was pregnant. How would an inverted birth work?
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Personally I thought the whole mask thing was a rushed bandaid to cover a whole bunch of questions. Wear a mask, and you can ignore reality! (hmm somehow familiar)

Like interactions between inverted atoms and regular ones, just because we don't see it, the air is thick with various gases and dust particles. Gravity isn't a factor at all except for exciting action scenes. Would inverted projectiles actually work the same, if you account for non inverted gravity,air resistance ect? Atoms inverted wouldn't behave the same as regular ones, mixing can't be a good thing at all.

I enjoyed the movie, it was well done for a sci-fi action flick, I even watched it a second time to catch stuff I'd missed. The pseudoscience behind it doesn't have enough meat to make it really interesting for me though, I might as well go down the rabbit hole of the science behind Timecop. Great movie, a little disappointing on the nerdy side.
 
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They don't invert the cars nor boats.

They drive them normally from the drivers perspective.. and it looks backwards to people in the normal timeline. but it is just a regular car/boat.
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With more information I am more confused.
 
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They don't invert the cars nor boats.

They drive them normally from the drivers perspective.. and it looks backwards to people in the normal timeline. but it is just a regular car/boat.
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The car clearly "un-crashes" from wrecked to driving for the people watching in the normal timeline. So the car must be inverted. Only an inverted driver could not reverse the sequence of driving -> crash -> wrecked car to wrecked car -> crash -> driving for the car itself.

The Saab also clearly drives normally from the perspective of the inverted Protagonist, while all other cars on the highway (which are all not inverted) drive backwards. When they are transported on boats, the boats seem to go backwards to the people being inverted, because the boats are moving forward through time. That is not the case for the Saab.
 
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The more I've thought about this movie the more I've realized theres something I missed. Not sure I care enough to watch it a second time.

Its basic, but oh well.

What the fuck happens at the end of each inverted trip? So you're going forward through time, then you enter the turnstile, and now you're moving backward through time. So if you never go back into the turnstile again you would now travel backwards in time for the whole rest of your life?

That would imply they have to go back into the turnstile in reverse after they've done their thing, in order to start moving forward in time again. But I don't recall a single time where this happened in the movie, "OK, we're done with our inverted mission, lets go back through the turnstile and get uninverted again"

so whatd I miss?
 
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The more I've thought about this movie the more I've realized theres something I missed. Not sure I care enough to watch it a second time.

Its basic, but oh well.

What the fuck happens at the end of each inverted trip? So you're going forward through time, then you enter the turnstile, and now you're moving backward through time. So if you never go back into the turnstile again you would now travel backwards in time for the whole rest of your life?

That would imply they have to go back into the turnstile in reverse after they've done their thing, in order to start moving forward in time again. But I don't recall a single time where this happened in the movie, "OK, we're done with our inverted mission, lets go back through the turnstile and get uninverted again"

so whatd I miss?
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yes. You go back to the machine and pop up in your time. and yes, the bad guy escaped like this,
 
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The car clearly "un-crashes" from wrecked to driving for the people watching in the normal timeline. So the car must be inverted. Only an inverted driver could not reverse the sequence of driving -> crash -> wrecked car to wrecked car -> crash -> driving for the car itself.

The Saab also clearly drives normally from the perspective of the inverted Protagonist, while all other cars on the highway (which are all not inverted) drive backwards. When they are transported on boats, the boats seem to go backwards to the people being inverted, because the boats are moving forward through time. That is not the case for the Saab.
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Cars always drive normally from the perspective of who is driving. You can be an inverted person and get into a regular car and go forward, or decide to drive in reverse but you have to look at the rear view mirror.
 
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yes. You go back to the machine and pop up in your time. and yes, the bad guy escaped like this,
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pop up in your time? you mean change direction in time or snap back to the point in time when you entered?

Every time I consider re watching this to answer questions like this one, I find something better to do. Its funny, I enjoyed it on the first watch but the thought of a second viewing seems tedious.
 
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You(the observer) pop back into your future and carry on as normal.

From your perspective as the time traveler you experienced events and time as


a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,n,m,l,k,j,i,u,v,w,x,y,z

note how in time T you decided to go back to the [i...m] series of events. So you go do your thing over there and, then you pop back in the future and carry on. But also there are two versions of you in the [i..m] span, one with future knowledge , and one without.
 
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You(the observer) pop back into your future and carry on as normal.

From your perspective as the time traveler you experienced events and time as


a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,n,m,l,k,j,i,u,v,w,x,y,z

note how in time T you decided to go back to the [i...m] series of events, then you pop back in the future and carry on.
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That's not how it works at all. Time is linear in either sense. Person A enters the turnstile and reverse the flow of time and they don't stop until they enter the turnstile again (or another turnstile) to reverse the flow. They come out at the point they are at. If you go in the turnstile, live in reverse time for a month, when you come out you will be a month in the past. That's how the protagonist was able to travel back and influence all of the events of the movie.

in your abc scenario there where Person A enters the turnstile at point T and exits at point N (in the past) it would be more like
a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,S,R,Q,P,O,N,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z

where the big letters are the period where time was reversed
 
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Where are all the slowly undecomposing corpses of people that died while inverted?
 
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I don't think so chaos.
What you are saying is that the turntile simply reverses the flow of time, without jump, while i think it allows for jump and reverses the flow of time.

it is wrong because then at the end of the movie when he comes back to kill prya, it meant that he would have been inverted on a dark room with oxygen just to pop back and reinvert himself on that time.

This is the timeline, after the events ends, sometime in the future, he meets Patterson, have a long friendship, founded Tenes, figures out time travel. THEN gets the message of the blonde lady "im being murdered" and then he is able to activate time travel to save her.

Under your theory of no time jumps allowed, he would have to literally wait inverted for a large number of years, to then uninvert himself and then kill pria. Not only him but every person would have to be in secluded areas for years while time slowly reveres until they go back out.

Also they would age a lot under this scenario. Imagine if tenet and time travel is founded 10 years in the future. that means that the protagonist age difference would have been 20 years from when we last see him, to when he pops back to kill pria.
 
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There's no jump in time, it just reverses it. That's the whole point of the temporal pincer, in the battle when they see themselves heading back to the turnstile while they are plotting the assault. Or the confrontation with themselves in the airport.
 
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So if the protagonist, creates tenet 20 years in the future, then Patterson's character stayed in a dark room 20 years reversing time until the current present arrived, at this point being probably 60 years old? At which point he uninverts himself(because he is speaking normally to present time protagonist), then contacts present protagonist and the events of the movie unfolds?
 
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