Tenet (2020)
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Right, but there's still no time jumping. The fundamentals of the tech as explained say that they reverse time for matter entered into the machine. Protagonist goes forward, then back, then forward again , then way back where he controls basically all the events we saw, then forward again.
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The main problem I have with no time jumping is like I said, patterson would been a senior citizen on the present and would have to wait an unspecified number of years inverted isolated and inverted waiting to pop back.
Also the last scene break that, because it creates everlasting copies of you in the present that go nowhere, and stay there.
So there are two copies of the protagonist now in the present time, both living forward, under the no jump scenario. Funny how at one point there are 5 versions of neil on the timeline.
Also the last scene break that, because it creates everlasting copies of you in the present that go nowhere, and stay there.
So there are two copies of the protagonist now in the present time, both living forward, under the no jump scenario. Funny how at one point there are 5 versions of neil on the timeline.
Drinsic
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He most likely didn't just sit in a room but, uh, yeah, did you even watch this movie? There are no time jumps.
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he must have had to, under the no time jump scenario, he would have been time inversed, unable to breathe oxygen, while moving backwards compared to everyone else.
Sure. But if you do an accident with a normal car, it would just crash and flip normally, roll down a hill normally, etc.. it follows the normal laws of gravity in the time line.
Similarly, an inverted guy could pick up a non-inverted gun and shoot it, but from the perspective of the inverted person, he would "catch" the bullet just like a non-inverted person would "catch" an inverted bullet, "undoing" the bullet hole create upon impact.
If both gun, bullet and shooter are inverted (or none of them are), it looks normal for their respective perspective.
Since the car "un-crashes" from the perspective of people in the regular timeline, similar to how inverted bullets "undamage" a bullet hole and jump back into the gun, the car must be inverted.
If the car was normal and only the Protagonist was inverted, the crash would not seem normal from his view (and instead would seem normal from people watching in the normal time-line). However, that's not what happens. The car un-crashes and un-flips in ways that are impossible physically in the normal flow of time (but look like a normal car crash to the inverted protagonist). Hence the car must be inverted.
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Finally had a chance to watch this. I liked it, and I think I benefited from watching with a good set of headphones. Did a quick check on my 5.1 system after viewing and the dialogue is definitely still muddied on the HBO Max copy.
Movie definitely loses sight of its own mechanics, especially re: the hotly debated Saab. There's an error here however you look at it but too many inconsistencies to say what precisely. If Nolan had left out the sequence of the Saab being blown up by Sator, it would've been a lot less confusing. But assuming Sator and his lighter are inverted, the Protagonist is inverted, the oxygen around the car is forward, the Saab and the gas inside it could be either... no combination of red/blue makes the fire -> ice -> hypothermia progression make sense.
But beyond that you have inverted people with their skin exposed to a forward sun and not freezing their tits off, so - "don't think about it, just feel it".
Lofty concept, well executed by Chris Nolan given the potential messiness of moving backwards through time. Could've used a review/edit from his brother probably.
Movie definitely loses sight of its own mechanics, especially re: the hotly debated Saab. There's an error here however you look at it but too many inconsistencies to say what precisely. If Nolan had left out the sequence of the Saab being blown up by Sator, it would've been a lot less confusing. But assuming Sator and his lighter are inverted, the Protagonist is inverted, the oxygen around the car is forward, the Saab and the gas inside it could be either... no combination of red/blue makes the fire -> ice -> hypothermia progression make sense.
But beyond that you have inverted people with their skin exposed to a forward sun and not freezing their tits off, so - "don't think about it, just feel it".
Lofty concept, well executed by Chris Nolan given the potential messiness of moving backwards through time. Could've used a review/edit from his brother probably.
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The only reason there's room for debate and assumptions is because the movie went way over its allotted amount of plotholes and paradoxes and simply didn't have space for any more. The car was not inverted. They specifically explain to the guy the difficulty he will have driving a non-inverted car. Which is bullshit anyway, under the rules as presented it would be impossible. Even if you ignore the physics of an internal combustion engine. The protagonist is moving through time in reverse. In order for him to drive the car while he is inverted he would have to be taking it back in time with him. The entire premise of time inversion, while sounding pretty cool, is flawed at its core.
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Definitely no time jumps. We don't know exactly when in the future Patterson is recruited so trying to figure his age is pointless.
They do mention people inverting and then re-entering to revert their time. Patterson even mentions he did it during the final mission when the protagonist asks why he's not inverted.
The vehicle crashing in reverse is supposed to be just because it was driven by an inverted person. Kind of like how when he fights himself the laws of physics appear to break down. Yeah there's holes in that but its one of those things you have to accept in a time traveling movie, because obviously it doesn't really exist. Having a fully functional and scientifically accurate explanation for time travel is a pretty ridiculus standard.
The one thing I'm stuck on, and is probably pretty simple, is why were there 3 protagonists in the airport? I get the first time he went through and the time he went inverted, but I'm not clear what the purpose of the one that was unmasked was
They do mention people inverting and then re-entering to revert their time. Patterson even mentions he did it during the final mission when the protagonist asks why he's not inverted.
The vehicle crashing in reverse is supposed to be just because it was driven by an inverted person. Kind of like how when he fights himself the laws of physics appear to break down. Yeah there's holes in that but its one of those things you have to accept in a time traveling movie, because obviously it doesn't really exist. Having a fully functional and scientifically accurate explanation for time travel is a pretty ridiculus standard.
The one thing I'm stuck on, and is probably pretty simple, is why were there 3 protagonists in the airport? I get the first time he went through and the time he went inverted, but I'm not clear what the purpose of the one that was unmasked was
Barellron
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Approaching and then entering the turnstile from either direction means approaching it from both sides, since a forward and inverted person must align at that exact moment (remember, "look through the window to make sure you see yourself approaching in reverse from the other side"). So we have one protagonist in an early point in the story who approaches but doesn't enter the turnstile, and another who moves backwards through time to enter it and then exit on the other side. From the perspective of the past protagonist moving forward through time, his future self would emerge from the turnstile on both sides simultaneously. 1 observer + 2 emerge = 3
Diagram also helps;
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Barellron
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The exact line from Ms Soldier Lady (not Kickass) is;
I can't vouch for the handling. Friction and wind resistance are reversed. You are inverted, the world is not.
To me, this suggests the car is inverted. An inverted car would have "friction and wind resistance reversed" when passing backwards through time.
Also, there's this in the airlock just before.
Sator's car is inverted and it makes sense he would have others lined up.
But in reality, it doesn't matter anyway because nothing makes the lighter+gas = fire + ice combo make sense.
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Her response is to his question of "Can I drive "a" car?" Which means she is referring to non-inverted cars.
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Yeah super obvious when remembering the entire reason they were there was to revert