Terminator Genisys (2015)

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spronk

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future stuff looks like it will be very cool, but probably only 10 mins or less of the movie. rest is gonna blow big chunks. sorry daenerys, you are no linda hamilton. shit you like hobbit size.

the only question really at this point is what the RT/metacritic range will be - under 20, under 40? can't see it being above 40.
 

Column_sl

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I'll go see it. I'm the biggest Terminator fan. If it sucks then i'll just treat it like Salvation. It never happened.

I really wish they could have finished the Terminator TV series tho. That show just did it for me.
 

Xevy

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Biggest issue I had was Daenarys blinking when she fired her gun. SO FAKE, GUYS!
 

Jait

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If they are putting their plot twist in the trailer, it can't be good.
Yeah, I didn't see Matt Smith. So I think it's a setup. I bet he's playing the actual AI in Human form, and can morph into Conner or something.

Granted, this shit isn't deep. It's a popcorn movie.
 

Lithose

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Seriously...how hard is it to leave the past alone and give us a decent trilogy based on the future wars. Why was Salvation so shitty at doing that? The movie should have been more straight forward, simple but satisfying. It should have been like Judge Dredd, with just a simple plot to introduce us to how the future works. John Conner is a young, unsure of himself, resistance leader--thousands of humans are being held by machines for no apparent reason. The movie starts with his team attacking the building, he splits off with a small group to destroy the local AI cluster, while the battle goes on outside. As you go through, you slowly learn the machines are keeping the humans to learn mannerisms and eventually harvest skin for the new T-800 series so they can infiltrate human resistance cells/camps/bunkers, because they are running out of resources.

No weird mcguffin which shuts terminators down but ends up being a plot twist. No half human/half machine assassin story line that is in it for nothing, and essentially makes someone else the main character. None of the ridiculous, bloated superfluous shit. Action movie, one objective-->go. Let the character drive the story, and learning about the world interest the audience....Salvation though felt like some writer who tried way way too hired and frankly went way above his ability level.
 

Mahes

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Everything in that preview felt forced. They appear to be trying desperately to cling on to what made the old movies memorable, while trying to be original at the same time. This of course creates a paradox, the irony of which is not lost.
 

Gamma Rays

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Action movies, they need to use the old adage "Less is more"

Stop it with all this over the top Michael Bay bullshit.
 

Isifhan

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Seriously...how hard is it to leave the past alone and give us a decent trilogy based on the future wars. Why was Salvation so shitty at doing that? The movie should have been more straight forward, simple but satisfying. It should have been like Judge Dredd, with just a simple plot to introduce us to how the future works. John Conner is a young, unsure of himself, resistance leader--thousands of humans are being held by machines for no apparent reason. The movie starts with his team attacking the building, he splits off with a small group to destroy the local AI cluster, while the battle goes on outside. As you go through, you slowly learn the machines are keeping the humans to learn mannerisms and eventually harvest skin for the new T-800 series so they can infiltrate human resistance cells/camps/bunkers, because they are running out of resources.

No weird mcguffin which shuts terminators down but ends up being a plot twist. No half human/half machine assassin story line that is in it for nothing, and essentially makes someone else the main character. None of the ridiculous, bloated superfluous shit. Action movie, one objective-->go. Let the character drive the story, and learning about the world interest the audience....Salvation though felt like some writer who tried way way too hired and frankly went way above his ability level.
For christ sakes this! They are trying to capture the magic of T1 & T2 and just shitting all over the bed every time. There is so much material you can mine for a good future trilogy. I think to some degree this series is being held hostage by Arnold, literally trying to live in the past. Considering these days it costs me about $80 or $90 to go see a movie when I factor in a baby sitter, tickets, food etc, I refuse to pay for this trash fest.
 

ohkcrlho

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How about no more terminator movies?
Even the future war wont work mainly because I wanted michael Biehn to reprise his role AGAIN but now he is like 50 or 60.
 

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24 years of progress

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ohkcrlho

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So a rehash of one of the greatest action movies ever is a bad thing?
ok let me correct it: a BAD reash of T2. with cringeworthy things like "talk to the hand", gay sunglasses and nick stahl acting.

About that fedor's image , there was someone called Stan Winston. And he died in 2008. So that's why you can see "progress"
 

Gamma Rays

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I remember hearing an idea for a Terminator future wars film. Which included an older Arnold, really quite good.

In that Arnold plays a human, a former and still very tough military man. AND he's the guy that the skynet based the series 400 'skin' on. They had captured him and with his large frame and commanding presence and nature he was a perfect skin to wrap around their infiltration cyborg. DNA copy, growth vats for making these human skin wrappers.

And then shortly after human Arnold was rescued / escaped whatever. So now years later he carries a lot of guilt, anger etc due to what his likeness(es) have done and wants to do what he can to set things right in any way. All of this isn't necessarily the film, it's more like his back-story, we can see parts of it as it's explained to whoever ( John Conner or others )

And with this setup Arnold could team up with John Conner -> action, battles, full on awesome stuff . . . I think it works really good.
 

j00t

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I remember hearing an idea for a Terminator future wars film. Which included an older Arnold, really quite good.

In that Arnold plays a human, a former and still very tough military man. AND he's the guy that the skynet based the series 400 'skin' on. They had captured him and with his large frame and commanding presence and nature he was a perfect skin to wrap around their infiltration cyborg. DNA copy, growth vats for making these human skin wrappers.

And then shortly after human Arnold was rescued / escaped whatever. So now years later he carries a lot of guilt, anger etc due to what his likeness(es) have done and wants to do what he can to set things right in any way. All of this isn't necessarily the film, it's more like his back-story, we can see parts of it as it's explained to whoever ( John Conner or others )

And with this setup Arnold could team up with John Conner -> action, battles, full on awesome stuff . . . I think it works really good.
there was talks when salvation came out about the idea that john conner had actually died way earlier but the machines didn't know it. someone basically pulled off a ballsy tactical move and it paid off. maybe that was john conner but he died shortly after. but too late, because the resistance remembered the idea of john conner. it was the image of john conner that survived and was giving the resistance something to rally behind. maybe even most of the resistance didn't know he died with the exception of a few brass and inserted stories of him being a part of whatever the latest battle where skynet lost ground was.

it was a really interesting idea and i think it would be cool to see this along with a 60 year old grizzled arnold trying to make up for being used as a template for a terminator.
 

Arbitrary

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Someone else's fanwank but fanwank I liked nonetheless

Here's the real truth about John Connor, the first time around, before any robots were sent back to screw the timeline up: he singlehandedly held an assault base perimeter against a sustained, night-long attack when infiltrator terminators killed nearly everyone else on sentry duty. If not for Connor raising the alarm and holding the perimeter for hours against those insane odds, thousands of refugees might have been overrun and killed. Connor became a symbol of heroism, of courage, and of hope. His name became a rallying cry to inspire others to heroic acts, and his voice on the radio inspired fanatical loyalty and suicidal obedience.

He died about six months later.

He died when HKs plasma bombed his command post two years before Skynet even figured out time travel. Skynet didn't even know Connor had been killed. Neither did most of the Resistance- there's no way in hell Resistance Command would let that bit of news out.

Look. John Connor was a great warrior, and an inspiring commander. But he was just a man like any other soldier. He was a hero, no doubt, but let's face it, he got lucky, and Command exploited his name and embellished his story to legendary proportions because the Resistance needed to boost morale. Things were looking hopeless, and Connor was just the kind of story people could latch onto. But really, it could have been anyone.

In fact, that's the point. He could be anyone. John Connor is a name and a voice, nothing more. He's the Uncle Sam on recruiting posters. Right now, HQ has about six John Connors running around whipping the troops into shape, leading forlorn hopes into suicide missions. John Connors are dying all the time. Your average Resistance fighter doesn't know what he looks like; it's not like he's on TV. All they might have heard is that he has a scar over his eye, so when Command sends a guy over to lead them and says it's Connor, who are they to argue?

Skynet doesn't know what's hitting it; it doesn't have the creativity to think that the Resistance might have created a fictional character. It doesn't know anything about the value of symbolism or the hope Connor inspires in people. To Skynet, this John Connor bastard is everywhere, and he has to die.

Skynet is wasting its time, chasing a phantom and wasting invaluable resources on a target it believes is pivotal to the human war effort. That suits Resistance Command just fine. The longer Skynet devotes resources to killing a dead man, playing whack-a-mole with the half-dozen Connors in the present, the more unfocused it is and unprepared when the Resistance finishes its preparations to strike its final blow.
 

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In that Arnold plays a human, a former and still very tough military man. AND he's the guy that the skynet based the series 400 'skin' on. They had captured him and with his large frame and commanding presence and nature he was a perfect skin to wrap around their infiltration cyborg. DNA copy, growth vats for making these human skin wrappers.
That right there would of been fucking amazing. But not we get shit after shit after shit.

FUCK YOU HOLLYWOOD THIS SMALL PARAGRAPH IS BETTER THAN THE SHIT YOU PAY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR PEOPLE TO WRITE