Independence day 2? Are you fucking serious?
there making a 3rd one too? Who the fuck greenlights this shit?
Terminator Genisys (2015)
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100% this.
In the first Terminator, I was terrified of the T-800 and the premise of robotic domination over mankind.
In everything else, it was just a run n gun shoot 'em up.
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"Come with me if you want to lift" had me dying at my desk at work. I literally couldn't breathe for a minute.
Kreugen
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Horror never works in sequels. See nearly every horror franchise ever. They all turn into parodies or action movies because the audience is no longer afraid of the monster. We know what to expect. We've already seen the flesh melt off of the killer robot in one of the coolest scenes on cinema and we've already seen it get defeated by a pipe bomb and an industrial press. We know that the alien can get blown out of an air lock by someone with no weapons at all, that Freddy Kreuger can get beat up by a girl in the real world, that Jason can be killed by a 7 year old boy, that Michael Myers will eventually wander off to take a nap, and so on.
By the 4th movie we had Terminators getting killed by 5.76mm pea shooters, ffs. There's no going back from that stupidity. At least the SCC had them using a Barret .50 to take one out. THAT was sweet.
By the 4th movie we had Terminators getting killed by 5.76mm pea shooters, ffs. There's no going back from that stupidity. At least the SCC had them using a Barret .50 to take one out. THAT was sweet.
ohkcrlho
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that would be so great.but the future we have seen in T1 and T2,not that bullshit of T4.
about the movies,or they don't do the series of the future war and instead they make a decent movie about it or just please end the franchise ffs
Horror never works in sequels. See nearly every horror franchise ever. They all turn into parodies or action movies because the audience is no longer afraid of the monster.by Kreugen
this 100%.
Gavinmad
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Now I'm not saying T4 was a great movie, but there was nothing wrong with the setting. Through the events of T3, Connor was able to start coordinating the resistance from the very beginning of the rise of the machines. T4 is also set like 10-20 years earlier than the future shown in T1-2, based on the age of Kyle Reese, so it makes sense that the war would be in a completely different stage. The future shown in T1-2 is a future where humanity lost the war and is on the brink of extinction.
Although really, I think the sequence of events in T1-3 prove that humanity losing the war is inevitable, so it eventually ends up in the future shown in T1-2 no matter what they do to try and stop it.
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Found this gem while looking at the wikipedia page for T1
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ohkcrlho
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yeah...i know that T4 happened before kyle's future war flashbacks during T1,but still i really wanted T4 to be about what happened to kyle before he went to the past,to save sarah and not that bullshit we saw :|
ahah i knew about that gem.that is soooo funny and ironic
ahah i knew about that gem.that is soooo funny and ironic
Dr. Silberman: Why this elaborate scheme with the Terminator?
Kyle Reese: It had no choice. Their defense grid was smashed. We'd won. Taking out Connor then would make no difference. Skynet had to wipe out his entire existence!
Skynet lost the war. That's why it was sending terminators back in time, it figured that if it prevented Conner from leading the resistance, humanity would lose. Of course if it didn't send terminators back in time, John wouldn't have been born... fucking time travel, how does it work?
Gavinmad
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Hmm, I'd totally forgotten about that, haven't seen the first movie in ages at this point. The flashback of Reese's painted a very grim picture, and it didn't really seem like humanity was in any real state to do anything but desperately cling to life. I mean they were still using projectile weapons against cybernetic/robotic enemies equipped with energy weapons. I suppose that bunker Reese was stationed at was near the front lines, or even a forward outpost or something.
So I guess flip what I said earlier, humanity winning over the machines is inevitable.
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Well, to be fair, they also said they were getting their asses kicked early in the war until John Connor told them how to "smash those metal mother fuckers". So there were two messages there.
That was because of their idiotic plot point. They wanted to show how the T600 (Or whatever) was weak and could be killed even by bullets. But the t-800, the one we remember, was impervious to everything. The director said some bullshit about how that was supposed to show the need for taking out the plant.Kreugan_sl said:
The thing was though...the T600 is still all metal....so, what we SAW was essentially terminators getting their asses kicked. It was dumb.
It's possible that the resistance was using high-density rounds in their weapons, allowing them to mess up the older terminators. That was Conner's unit after all.
Lithose
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This is the problem with the movie--they assumed a lot of the little "revelations" in it were supposed to be understood by simply telling the audience.
Here is how the director "intended" you view to things.
In the "Terminator 1" timeline. Humanity gets it's ass kicked, but thanks to Connor's help, and his knowledge of the terminators, they always remain a step ahead. Supposedly, the idea is that the T600 was still vulnerable to Ballistic weapons because it was "weak"--and the T600 was used until late in the war. However, during this time, humanity developed new weapons, and began using the cool plasma weapons in terminator 1. So when the T800 came out, it wasn't a big deal except for it's ability to look human.
In "Terminator 4's" shitty timeline, supposedly Skynet was able to send back resources, and "designs" (Hence the cyborg), and this allowed the production of the T800 to happen much sooner, preempting the new weapons of the humans. The T800, being all but impervious to ballistic weapons, could easily win the war because the humans didn't have a chance yet to get some breathing room and set up production of their fancy new plasma weapons.
The problem is, there is a SINGLE scene explaining this, and the explanation consists ofone sentence. When Connor breaks into that information network building, and accesses the computer and sees the schematics for the T800, he says "oh no...this is too soon, they are years ahead of where they should be!" (I think he says 8 years, but I haven't watched it in forever.)
Anyway, that single sentence is supposed to explain why humans still use ballistic weapons, why T600's are so shitty, and why the T800 was so dramatically powerful (When in comparison, in T1, the T800 didn't really change the war.)...One sentence. Essentially the lynchpin of their plot....was "told" in one sentence. That's why this movie was dog shit. They should have had scenes with Connor explaining how the T800's alloys were different...And Maybe had scenes where rebel scientists were explaining how their reverse engineered plasma rifles were still a few years from being put into production. Something. But instead this pivotal moment was glossed over and instead more focus was put on the "emotional" story of the Cyborg plot.
I don't know why it was so hard to essentially make a future wars triilogy using a simple hero's journey formula. First movie should be about Connor freeing tons of people from the machines and setting up a huge rebel base camp, and maybe smashing their production facilities. The second movie should have been about Skynet fucking the rebels over in someway, and putting their back against the wall. And the third movie should be about Connor leading his forces to final victory.
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That fucking kid, youre forgetting it had a useless idiotic 8 year old kid in the movie.
It also makes zero sense that they had the ability to fly planes, helicopters and even cruise around on a nuclear sub like nothing in a post apocalyptic world. Is there a endless supply of gas and spare jet parts in the future we dont know about?
It also makes zero sense that they had the ability to fly planes, helicopters and even cruise around on a nuclear sub like nothing in a post apocalyptic world. Is there a endless supply of gas and spare jet parts in the future we dont know about?
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Ugh, yeah, there were so god damn many mistakes. And the thing that gets me is this could have been such a simple, elegant story. Why did they have to make it so convoluted and shitty? I swear, that ending, too..."We let you believe you hated us, so you'd come back!"...Wow...It's like this guy watched a marathon of M Night Shamalalalal and Harry Potter and wanted a big twist in the end, but completely fucked the execution in every conceivable way.
Makes me sad...Because every since I was a kid, seeing those future wars scenes, I've always wanted to seethatstory.
ohkcrlho
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ahah just like Star Wars
but that would happen before kyle went to the past.and in the last movie,in the end,should be skynet's last breath,sending back in time the T-800 to kill sarah and kyle following him.
about T4:
funny is that the cyborg (or whatever they called it in T4) is better than the T-800 (in human aspect).so the machines wouldn't need to built other terminators (T-800's,T-600's,etc....).just needed to build more cyborgs,infiltrate them between the humans and chaos begins.