Terminator Genisys (2015)

Going through the Terminator series.

Here's my main problem with T3. Although the T-X is a logical improvement to basically all of the flaws of the T-1000, it just was nowhere near as intimidating a villain, and her use of her morphed machines was dumb. If she has the raw strength to just tear the roof off of the hearse, why does she morph a saw to cut a hole in the roof first? Also, the saw was much less scary than seeing Robert Patrick turn his entire arm into a blade and start punching it down through the roof of an elevator. Both human characters were just complete dead weight. In T-2 John can hack key-card locks, he reloads their guns during shootouts, orders Arnold around, rides his dirt bike through an awesome chase scene, etc. Sarah escapes most of the way from a mental institution, tries to assassinate Dyson, and comes within a single shotgun blast of killing the T-1000 herself. In T3, John does basically nothing the entire movie, Kate locks him in the dog kennel which is kinda funny and then near the end shoots down one of the flying drones. So almost nothing.

after the events of T2,john thought the machines would never rise against humans and in the end,he didn't need any training whatsoever in order to fight and survivor (that is what i figured out).so he became super pussy...

Beef Supreme_sl said:

Yeah dude, the first Terminator is a goddamned masterpiece.

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Yah, I wish they'd kept the original ending, 'the studio wanted audiences to leave on a happy note' is the most bullshit excuse for butchering an awesome ending ever ;p

velk_sl said:

Yah, I wish they'd kept the original ending, 'the studio wanted audiences to leave on a happy note' is the most bullshit excuse for butchering an awesome ending ever ;p

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Which confuses me, because everyone blames Bale for the changes, but Bale is the one who pushed to keep that ending.

velk_sl said:

Yah, I wish they'd kept the original ending, 'the studio wanted audiences to leave on a happy note' is the most bullshit excuse for butchering an awesome ending ever ;p

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Kreugen_sl said:

Which confuses me, because everyone blames Bale for the changes, but Bale is the one who pushed to keep that ending.

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Which movie are we talking about at this point?

The main issue with Terminator sequels is they kept remaking the same movie more or less.
The time travel aspect just kindof breaks down after the first.

The second, while a great action movie, basically completely retcons T1's time travel.
In t1, time travel is deterministic. Skynet exists, because skynet sent a terminator back, and the same with John.
T2 tries to say, timeline can be changed. (although, does leave it open enough to say, or maybe not)

But skynet at this point, should know wtf is going on. how many units did it send back? and at what points? Sending three separate generations of units back to progressively closer timeline doesn't make any sense.
how about send that t-1000 back to 1985 too?


The best bet would have been to do a Metroid. Go off in another direction. We should have had Linda Hamilton finding herself against other threats that have been spawned from time fuckery. If skynet can go back in time, so can everyone else.
The time machine was turned on in 1985. so no one can go back past that. There you go, a plot line turn that allows any story to be told, keeps your lead actors, and keeps that IP name.

TV show took it in a great direction as well of course.
Again, "bad" human time travelers. Rogue AI's also creating trouble in current time, instead of "KILL JOHN CONNER!!!!"
A terminator starting a corporation, and being a corporate threat to destroy John is a much better angle, to go.

Yeah but I'm not entirely happy with how common time travel seems now after the series, which im most of the way through. T3 shows that you can change little things, but ultimately nothing they do in T2 or the Chronicles is able to prevent Skynet from coming into being.

Gavinrad_sl said:

Yeah but I'm not entirely happy with how common time travel seems now after the series, which im most of the way through. T3 shows that you can change little things, but ultimately nothing they do in T2 or the Chronicles is able to prevent Skynet from coming into being.

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T3 is an abomination and should never be mentioned in space-time.

Why? Aside from being a lousy movie, the underlying concept is sound. T3 establishes that regardless of the steps taken to prevent it, it is a function of inevitability that we will create an artificial intelligence, and that intelligence will become self-aware and turn against us. T3 also establishes the precedence that they kept and expanded upon in the tv series, wherein Terminators and humans start being sent back to try and accomplish secondary goals when it becomes impractical to keep the focus on killing John Connor. If anything, the time travel in T3 makes more sense than the time travel in T2.

velk_sl said:

Yah, I wish they'd kept the original ending, 'the studio wanted audiences to leave on a happy note' is the most bullshit excuse for butchering an awesome ending ever ;p

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Gavinrad_sl said:

Which movie are we talking about at this point?

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Big Phoenix_sl said:

Youre drunk Kreugen, go home.

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I (obviously) thought he was referring to the stupid ending of T4 where they rip off Conner's skin, put it on the dumb cyborg, then the cyborgconner kills everyone. You always see people blaming Bale for that ending being changed, but he was the one who wanted to keep it.

Unless Velk is talking about a super secret ending to T1 that google doesn't know about.

Gavinrad_sl said:

Why? Aside from being a lousy movie, the underlying concept is sound. T3 establishes that regardless of the steps taken to prevent it, it is a function of inevitability that we will create an artificial intelligence, and that intelligence will become self-aware and turn against us. T3 also establishes the precedence that they kept and expanded upon in the tv series, wherein Terminators and humans start being sent back to try and accomplish secondary goals when it becomes impractical to keep the focus on killing John Connor. If anything, the time travel in T3 makes more sense than the time travel in T2.

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You mean, aside from it being an almost scene-for-scene ripoff from T2?

I think you are projecting what you want the movie to be more so than what it really is. It's a superfluous cash grab of a movie that serves to water down the whole Terminator mythos. Plus, Nick Stahl is shit in it, as is everyone else. the TX bitch is the worst idea for a terminator you could possibly imagine.

They could have kept it simple, and just had Skynet learn from its mistakes and send 3 T-1000s to kill John Connor instead of creating a one-off teenage boys' dream.

Beef Supreme_sl said:

You mean, aside from it being an almost scene-for-scene ripoff from T2?

I think you are projecting what you want the movie to be more so than what it really is. It's a superfluous cash grab of a movie that serves to water down the whole Terminator mythos. Plus, Nick Stahl is shit in it, as is everyone else. the TX bitch is the worst idea for a terminator you could possibly imagine.

They could have kept it simple, and just had Skynet learn from its mistakes and send 3 T-1000s to kill John Connor instead of creating a one-off teenage boys' dream.

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Skynet netflixed Transformers 2, and thought. Hey, that almost worked on Shia! Ill send a robot girl back to kill John Connor! this is an excellent plan.

Kreugen_sl said:

Unless Velk is talking about a super secret ending to T1 that google doesn't know about.

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It's in the "bonus" anniversary edition, I think.

The original Terminator ending didn't have that drive into Mexico with a storm coming. Instead it had a bunch of guys who worked for the company that owned the factory where the Terminator died hiding what was left as police arrived. The camera pans up in the factory and you see a logo that says "Cyberdine Systems". Fade to black.

T2 was based off that ending. And it was a huge mistake to change it.

about T3,just watch this.this dude is really good.and he has videos about the Alien,Predator and the thing series

You mean, aside from it being an almost scene-for-scene ripoff from T2?by Beef Supreme
this 100%

T3 sucks.T1 and T2 are the only movies that exist for me.

ohkcrlho_sl said:

about T3,just watch this.this dude is really good.and he has videos about the Alien,Predator and the thing series

You mean, aside from it being an almost scene-for-scene ripoff from T2?by Beef Supreme
this 100%

T3 sucks.T1 and T2 are the only movies that exist for me.

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Yeah and at the end he says that T3 was an ok movie. It's only mediocre because T1 and T2 were so good.

Can't wait to hear what he has to say about TSCC though, cause while I really enjoyed it, there was tons of shit I want to nitpick. I also wonder what the fuck their plans were if they hadn't been cancelled before a third season, given where they ended the second.

and because it looked like a parody of Terminator,with all those goofy things.
but the main story of T3=the main story of T2 and that is why i think it sucks.there is no innovation....

rofl