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Im a layman also but « dark matter » , especially when put into perspective with the higgs fields, sounds quite interesting. Something that interacts with it but not with the electromagnetic field.
Could be 100% bullshit but i guess like someone said above, scientists love to insult their colleague and they wouldn’t hesitate to do so with dark matter if they could.
Now question for you since i cant find the answer by myself: if you could go to the center of earth, would the gravity there be 0 since you have mass more or less equivalent all around you, or would it be the maximum you can get on earth ?
 

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if you could go to the center of earth, would the gravity there be 0 since you have mass more or less equivalent all around you, or would it be the maximum you can get on earth ?

Net gravity 0 because you're being pulled essentially equally in all directions. Ignoring the fact you'll get crushed (pressure 52M PSI) and immolated (temp 9.4k F), of course.
 
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If we're going to be delving into the whole "The Big Bang Theory is Wrong" rabbit hole then there is a shit ton of stuff to talk about here. Personally, I have long doubted the theory - if only for the (as my avatar famously said) saying: "Just give me one free miracle, and I'll explain everything else." Why and how everything suddenly came from nothing is one of the Achilles heels of modern cosmology. But people also forget the origins of the Big Bang theory, and what came before. Before it the most universally accepted theory was some form of steady state Universe - one that always had been and always would be, though (IIRC) it was debated if it was also infinite in size as well or not.

As mentioned above, it was early doppler effect interpretations of Red Shift that drew people to the (then) logical conclusion that if galaxies were moving away from each other, then, logically speaking, there should have been a time when they were closer, and closer, and so on until you get to the pinprick of the "beginning of history". It was a Catholic monk who was one of the first proponents of such a "Big Bang" theory, precisely as it would bring science and religion closer together. Scientists could call it The Big Bang, theists could call it "In the beginning was the word, and the word was god..."

So you had a very strong correlation of forces in early 20th century cosmology all desiring to have a cosmic "start point", and from there, the notion snowballed, but as is the case, the more we got to know about the Universe, the more we had to - not so much "fill in the blanks" in the equations - but to create a whole subset of stuff to try and balance out the equation. In any rational thinking process, when you need to have 80-90% of all matter and energy be some elusive "dark" substance that cannot be detected or measured in order for your equations to work - then maybe it's the equations themselves that are wrong?

You also need to snub and disregard evidence that points to other conclusions, such as the work done on plasmas by Hannes Alfvén, and the work done on high-redshift quasars and their connections to low-redshift galaxies done by Halton Arp, both of which are shunned by modern cosmology since their findings do not fit the current theories.

It reminds me of the old Earth-centric model of the solar system. As orbital mathematics progressed during the late middle ages, and more and more precise models were made of how the heavens worked, astronomers had to make the planets go through more and more "loops" in their orbits around the Earth to make the math work out - until the evidence for a solar-centric model blew away the need for all these loops and gave the solar system a relatively simple model to follow.

It's almost 20 years old now, but the Cosmology Quest documentary is an excellent starting point for those who wish to learn about the problems facing modern astronomy. If anyone has any more up-to-date documentaries or videos, feel free to post them.

 
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I'm seeing a lot of stuff on YouTube from Eric Weinstein/Roger Penrose and Sabine Hossenfelder saying that String Theory is also a total fraud.

I think that these scientists are specialising too much, imagine spending your entire career working on Big Bang Theory and it's fucking wrong.

At least Big Bang has a lot of evidence behind it, though I always doubted that it was the beginning and the rapid inflation stuff sounded too random to be true. String Theory apparently has no evidence behind in.
 
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I'm seeing a lot of stuff on YouTube from Eric Weinstein/Roger Penrose and Sabine Hossenfelder saying that String Theory is also a total fraud.

It's not necessarily a total fraud, but many view it as a waste of time because it doesn't produce predictions that are testable with an attainable level of human technology. There have been some interesting developments in pure mathematics that come out of string theory, though. (This is according to friends who are active astronomers/physicists.)

I read Brian Green's book The Elegant Universe years ago, and while it may all be mathematical fiction it's fun to think about.
 
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I'm seeing a lot of stuff on YouTube from Eric Weinstein/Roger Penrose and Sabine Hossenfelder saying that String Theory is also a total fraud.

I think that these scientists are specialising too much, imagine spending your entire career working on Big Bang Theory and it's fucking wrong.

At least Big Bang has a lot of evidence behind it, though I always doubted that it was the beginning and the rapid inflation stuff sounded too random to be true. String Theory apparently has no evidence behind in.
This same thing happened when big bang was proposed. The astrophysicists who'd spent their entire careers trying to prove steady state got pissed. The same thing is happening now. It's probably a system shock to be one of the best mathematical minds on earth and realize you just wasted your life tilting at math windmills.
 
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The greatest scientists always seemed to be polymaths, once they hit a dead end they would work on something else and therefore not be completed invested in any one thing.

Like Isacc Newton doing Alchemy and trying to summon Angels or whatever the fuck he was upto.
 
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End of the day, our understanding of the universe is constrained by the accuracy of the tools at our disposal

Webb has been great because it has forced some reevaluations of certain models or hypotheses, just like Hubble forced the same
 

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The greatest scientists always seemed to be polymaths, once they hit a dead end they would work on something else and therefore not be completed invested in any one thing.

Like Isacc Newton doing Alchemy and trying to summon Angels or whatever the fuck he was upto.
As a reminder, Einstein got a Nobel prize for... the photoelectric effect. Not relativity.
 
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The greatest scientists always seemed to be polymaths, once they hit a dead end they would work on something else and therefore not be completed invested in any one thing.

Like Isacc Newton doing Alchemy and trying to summon Angels or whatever the fuck he was upto.
Brother nearly blinds himself by literally staring at the sun and then stabbing his eye with a needle, then casually invents calculus to help a buddy figure out how planets wobble. Absolute legend.
 
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Well, damn. The test drive for quantized inertia had some kind of power failure. Scott talks about it here assuming the timestamp works:

 
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I got fooled by a fake spaceX account with a bunch of hidden numbers after it. In my defense, I'm 60 hours into a fast and rather loopy :emoji_laughing:
 
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Propulsion- We are go for bug on windshield burn.
Flight Dynamics- What? What does that mean?
Propulsion- Miley Circus I hit you like a wrecking ball was a poor choice of landing songs. I am sorry
FD- What the hell is wrong with you people!
 

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Looks like they did confirm it was on surface, but signal is weak. Might point to an alignment issue, hopefully it didn’t tip over