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No. The government sucks at everything.
But me objecting to it doesn't mean it's suddenly socialism.
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The Benefits of Socialism
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No. The government sucks at everything.
But me objecting to it doesn't mean it's suddenly socialism.
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You are agreeing to the idea that socializing one thing is far apart from socializing everything then?
Talking about the facts and the numbers are totally a thing, but just conceptually socializing something doesn't HAVE to lead to just be because "someone who wants socialism either wants free stuff ... or they are better off than they would be and they are misguided fools who don't think rationally with a world view that's comprehensive. "
If we could all pay $5 a year and everyone had unlimited free healthcare you, and every other rational person would say its a good idea. Socializing any 'thing' could be a bad idea, or could be a good idea, but its not automatically bad just because the word socialism.
Talking about the facts and the numbers are totally a thing, but just conceptually socializing something doesn't HAVE to lead to just be because "someone who wants socialism either wants free stuff ... or they are better off than they would be and they are misguided fools who don't think rationally with a world view that's comprehensive. "
If we could all pay $5 a year and everyone had unlimited free healthcare you, and every other rational person would say its a good idea. Socializing any 'thing' could be a bad idea, or could be a good idea, but its not automatically bad just because the word socialism.
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Campbell1oo4
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Not even true.
What doctors are going to work in the national healthcare industry?
From where will they be paid?
What if they want to work private practice and make their own rates? Are you going to force them to work for the public?
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Take for an example any union shop, there is your microcosm of what socializing anything is like. You take away merit based advancement and replace it with seniority. Incentives for hard work go out the window. Why should anyone work harder than the person next to him, if after all his advancement, and pay, is only as good as the seniority level within that company? Take that one step further into socialized shop, and you will see one wage for all, fair pay for work for all that work there. Absolutely no incentive to be a standout, to work harder than the person next to you, to improve or to innovate any systems on the job. And there goes the innovation out the window. Why should anyone improve anything if you dont get rewarded for it? In fact the person which innovates or works harder than the rest, gets knocked the fuck back down by other workers, because as long as quotas are met, shop runs fine, and fuck working harder to make more widgets, or gum, we all still get paid the same and our jobs remain secure? Right? and even those that do want to improve shit, work harder, eventually realize its a lost cause, because, again, no incentives.
So there it is, your gum factory is churning out one flavor gum for its entire existence, because other socialized gum factories are doing the same. No strawberry xylotol gum for you.
You know what the best job in a union shop is? To be the night janitor/custodian. Its the pinnacle job in any union shop that only the most senior people get. My wifes old man (rest his soul) told me this after working for union for 30 yrs. He got in, cleaned up the shit he needed to, went home, got drunk, went back to punch out.
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Lithose
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Human evolution is the reason why socialism beyond a certain scale doesn't work. Your ape brain was literally not designed, nor does it have the capacity to make the system efficient or asses enough high quality communication to do so. Your brain is literally not good enough for socialism, you don't have the processing power for it. (Beyond a certain size, and complexity).
This is why simplistic socialist systems, like a Kibbutz or an Amish community, or a small co-op, succeed, while more complex systems fail. I can go into this more if you'd like to genuinely debate it. Especially because it will illustrate what a dip shit @Picasso3 is, and how he's under the effect of selection bias--given I have debated this many times, and other subjects and all Picasso can read is SJW shit, because he's dumb.
That said, would you like to know more?
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Lithose
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Public goods are elements of Capitalism that have existed as concepts since the system was effectively discussed with the rise of private property as a renewed concept. Really you could argue Socialism grew from this element in Capitalism. But I'd say you'd need to make a distinction between public goods and socialism. It's not always an easy thing on an individual level, but as for broader concepts, any debate should be able to delineate them fairly easily. In addition, they shouldn't affect our debate that much--given I'm going to use a communication based argument on why socialism fails.
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