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Utnayan

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Now all they have to do is sell an Xbox One without Kinect attached for $399, take all services such as Skype and Netflix and all that other BS out of a paywall Live subscription, and add something similar to what PS Plus is doing with their sales of games "(And free games) and I might buy one at launch.
 
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Utnayan_sl said:
Now all they have to do is sell an Xbox One without Kinect attached for $399, take all services such as Skype and Netflix and all that other BS out of a paywall Live subscription, and add something similar to what PS Plus is doing with their sales of games "(And free games) and I might buy one at launch.
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All that and the system itself would still be inferior. Unless for some reason your TV remote's input button is broke .
 
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All that and the system itself would still be inferior. Unless for some reason your TV remote's input button is broke .
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Yep, they could do all that and there'd still be no reason to buy it. Microsoft is going to have to prove that they can offer a worthwhile amount of exclusive games and services to make me consider the system and so far they've yet to do that. I have no reason to buy a second console, inferior console that doesn't offer me more and different content.

That's the whole reason to buy consoles in the first place. Content is the #1 reason to own one and the rest is really just extras and/or fluff. Microsoft's track record on that has been awful past the first couple years of the X360's life and they are going to really have to prove that they can deliver.Ifthey ever do prove that I'll consider buying an Xbone. Sony's track record with content on the other hand has been amazing and I have no problem putting my faith and money into the PS4 launch. Bonus points that it's the more powerful machine (and currently $100 less).
 
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With the first Xbox they dropped their pants a couple months after release. This 180 months before the release makes me believe the pre-order numbers are not bad, but dismal. The 1 to 10 ratio on this thread's poll is probably not representative of the general pre-ordering public, but even if it's 1 to 5 or 1 to 3 it's a catastrophe of epic proportion for the Xbox division.
 
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And miss out on battery pack sales? surely you jest
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Seriously? Not chargeable by default without an extra purchase - that's such a complete deal breaker for me.... just when they were getting close to reeling me back in (I'm a sucker for not missing ANY exclusives - although PS4 would still be my main machine of the two by far with current data) I'm completely turned off again.

Why would that decision EVER make sense for them? Does Duracell subsidize the machine for them a bit or something? Christ.
 
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Szlia_sl said:
With the first Xbox they dropped their pants a couple months after release. This 180 months before the release makes me believe the pre-order numbers are not bad, but dismal. The 1 to 10 ratio on this thread's poll is probably not representative of the general pre-ordering public, but even if it's 1 to 5 or 1 to 3 it's a catastrophe of epic proportion for the Xbox division.
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My Gamestop - which isn't lambasting the XBOne was quoting me 1 to 10 about a week ago - obviously YMMV by your store, but considering we're in one of the high income areas (not the highest by far though) in the highest average income per capita state in the nation though - you'd expect the ratio to be better for double console purchasing rather than less. But it's quite possible that one store is an outlier.
 
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Vaclav_sl said:
My Gamestop - which isn't lambasting the XBOne was quoting me 1 to 10 about a week ago - obviously YMMV by your store, but considering we're in one of the high income areas (not the highest by far though) in the highest average income per capita state in the nation though - you'd expect the ratio to be better for double console purchasing rather than less. But it's quite possible that one store is an outlier.
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Yeah, there were a few reports of pre-order numbs at various Gamestops being pretty close to the poll numbers.
 
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I can't think of any polls where XBone was > 20%. I'm betting that'll change as we get closer to release and the groups polled gets bigger.
 
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I think it's good they are backing away from the crap they were trying to pull, I still don't see myself ever picking one up.
 
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They could drop the price to $299 and I still wouldn't buy. They have burned their bridge with me, just like EA and for the most part ActiBlizz.
 
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I think that this year's sales will be a lot closer than people think in the US (assuming yields allow it). Most of the Xbros I know are still keeping with the brand.

Once April or so rolls around, then we'll get the one-sided results you guys are predicting.

I still insist E3 2015 will be the Microsoft Moneyhat Offensive, as they write checks to Epic, etc. for digital exclusives.

In quasi-Next Gen news, Nintendo all but said "No price cut for the Wii U" this year. March/April will be real interesting around Kyoto, though what can the stockholders do but give Iwata & Co. another year, as various reorgs are still in the works. (Supposedly the Wii U is still being sold at a loss, which boggles my mind. The only thing I can come up with is economies of scale go the other way, too.)
 
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Wombat_sl said:
I think that this year's sales will be a lot closer than people think in the US (assuming yields allow it). Most of the Xbros I know are still keeping with the brand.

Once April or so rolls around, then we'll get the one-sided results you guys are predicting.

I still insist E3 2015 will be the Microsoft Moneyhat Offensive, as they write checks to Epic, etc. for digital exclusives.

In quasi-Next Gen news, Nintendo all but said "No price cut for the Wii U" this year. March/April will be real interesting around Kyoto, though what can the stockholders do but give Iwata & Co. another year, as various reorgs are still in the works. (Supposedly the Wii U is still being sold at a loss, which boggles my mind. The only thing I can come up with is economies of scale go the other way, too.)
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The "one-sided results" aren't really a prediction, they're assumptions based on pre-order allocations and numbers that have been released + the fact that it was confirmed by an insider that Microsoft had some major yield issues. There was stuff with stores having like 20 Xbones and 140 PS4s and Sony telling Gamestop that slots were basically unlimited. If Microsoft can't manufacture supply for shit then it's going to be lopsided as hell.

Plus there's how the Amazon top-seller list looked which was clearly lopsided. If Sony really can manufacture as much as they're claiming and get those units sold while Microsoft is short on supply then it's going to be a massacre.
 
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I don't see what's so outlandish about that. If they fuck up the controller, it doesn't matter how good the console is, nobody will play it. The controller is one of the most important components in a console, and it's good to see that Microsoft has given the Xbox One controller the time, money, and attention it deserves. If it's a decent upgrade over the 360 controller, I'll definitely get one to use with my PC.

Edit - From the sounds of it, that $100m figure includes building factories, r&d testbeds, and a bunch of other stuff, too. That stuff is expensive, but it'll be used for designing more than Xbox controllers in the future.
 
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Isn't it basically the same as the xbox360 controller with just a few modifications?
 
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Isn't it basically the same as the xbox360 controller with just a few modifications?
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Pretty much. It has tighter sticks + rumble motors in the triggers and that's about it. Oh, and it still has a shitty d-pad.

They spent a fuckload on dumb shit like screens on the controller and also making it emit Scents to enhance gameplay:http://www.theverge.com/2013/8/12/46...peakers-smells

I'd say that pissing away money on crap like that is fairly outlandish considering the barely changed design that they came up with.
 
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Right, and the PS4 controller is just a PS3 controller with just a few modifications... The 360 was great, and probably just about perfect for FPS with the modifications.

The PS3 controller isn't nearly so good for FPS, but with the modifications, should be much better, especially the trigger changes.
 
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Yeah, think I mentioned it before but a friend who was at E3 liked the DS4 over only the 360 controller, said the Xbox One controller wasn't as comfortable and would put it behind the 360s. Could feel the edges more or something, was hard to really explain without holding it yourself.
 
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Right, and the PS4 controller is just a PS3 controller with just a few modifications... The 360 was great, and probably just about perfect for FPS with the modifications.

The PS3 controller isn't nearly so good for FPS, but with the modifications, should be much better, especially the trigger changes.
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The point isn't that the Bone controller won't be solid, it is that they spent 100 million to basically do nothing to it. Just more evidence of how shitty Microsoft is run.
 
Utnayan

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They spent a fuckload on dumb shit like screens on the controller and also making it emit Scents to enhance gameplay
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Haha!

Mom: "What smells like complete ass in here?"
Timmy: "Oh mom that's my game! Whenever I am riding my horse in Fable HD Remake 6 on my new Xbone, it emits a horseshit smell from my controller! Peter Molyneux thought this brought a whole new level of immersion!"
 
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