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Xevy

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I'm going to buy an XB1. Why? I like their game catalog better. Why else? I never thought much of PS's.

Will the 100 dollars more I spent amount to much in the 5-8 years I have the console? No. I don't live in fucking Brazil.

Will the (POSSIBLE) 6-7fps on PS4 matter? No. If you're comparing FPS on games on both consoles they're probably also on PC and you're dumb.

It's all about what fucking flavor koolaid you want. I'm a lime guy and some of you are grape. No matter if you get 10% more in your packet or get it for 10% less doesn't mean I'm gonna buy a flavor I don't prefer.
 

Vaclav

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Except in your retarded argument the flavor isn't the console - the water we're using is. Consoles are a vehicle for the content they are not content in themselves and without content they are useless bricks. (Although the PS4 at least is a prettier brick)
 

Column_sl

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So anyone pointing out this completely lopsided console comparison is a Sony fanboi? Fuck, I'm not even buying a goddamn console when it comes out. I just don't see how anyone can compare the two consoles and not come away thinking the PS4 is the far better deal both in dollars and what you might want to show support for.

Again though, if you want to buy both consoles, fine. Go right ahead. Just don't come here trying to justify your purchase by saying its an investment or bragging about how awesomely rich you are that you can afford an extra console.


If you are seriously that worried about what people spend there money on you will be bitching about shit your whole life.

Can anyone stand to be around you? just curious
 

Xevy

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Except in your retarded argument the flavor isn't the console - the water we're using is. Consoles are a vehicle for the content they are not content in themselves and without content they are useless bricks. (Although the PS4 at least is a prettier brick)
No. Because when it comes down to multi console games, as has been said a billion times already, the lowest common denominator for specs will be the template for the game design. So, no.

Also, you're comparing the aesthetics between two plastic black boxes? I get it now. So you guys are all just waiting for the iStation5S?
 

Vaclav

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Quality of the games themselves doesn't change the fact that you're comparing using Dasani or Deer Park for making Kool-Aid with. Difference between each is negligible to most people, the resulting Kool-Aid will be the same with both to most people, but some people will shop for the bargain, some will have brand loyalty based on a number of factors (Deep Park sports top FTW).

The "flavor" argument is nonsense because they're not drastically different content on each - it's Wyler's vs. Kool-Aid if you're sticking to that being a "good analogy" not flavors. (Not that any analogy is really good in the world - they're all flawed in some way)

As for aesthetics - shrug - its just factual that it's a better looking unit in a cabinet. Not that it really matters, just going for the "no content brick" side of things.
 

Sean_sl

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So anyone pointing out this completely lopsided console comparison is a Sony fanboi? Fuck, I'm not even buying a goddamn console when it comes out. I just don't see how anyone can compare the two consoles and not come away thinking the PS4 is the far better deal both in dollars and what you might want to show support for.

Again though, if you want to buy both consoles, fine. Go right ahead. Just don't come here trying to justify your purchase by saying its an investment or bragging about how awesomely rich you are that you can afford an extra console.
Yep, the start of this generation is lopsided as fuck in Sony's favor. This isn't a matter of fanboy-ism.

The fact that anyone would call me a Sony fanboy is hilarious considering that I have more X360 games than anyone else on this board and that I championed the X360 pretty hard when it was worth backing. I back the better horse, it's that fucking simple. I didn't get a PS3 until years until the cycle when it was worth buying due to Sony really pushing exclusive titles.

Xevy - if someone legitimately liked Kinect and what developers have offered so far then by all means, more power to them. I personally have not felt that I have gotten a quality experience out of it and do not think that any better revision of the hardware can significantly enhance my gameplay experience in a good way so it's just not my cup of tea.

No. Because when it comes down to multi console games, as has been said a billion times already, the lowest common denominator for specs will be the template for the game design. So, no.
Look, this "develop to the lowest common denominator" thing is bunk. It has not ever been something that has happened (on a large scale) and isn't something that's going to happen. The PS3 cross-platform titles were quite noticeably worse for years and developers *did not* hold back X360 versions to match parity on them.

I posted this before and it was just completely brushed over. Most, if not just about all, developers have more integrity than that. Compare the first games of this generation to the last games of this generation.There is a night and day difference because developers on the whole have pushed an amazing amount of juice out of these two little boxes. The latest games might as well be from a completely different generation from the first couple years of games due to the massive differences between them.Developers learn the ins and outs of these systems and push them far beyond anything anyone thought possible.

It is merely a happy coincidence that the PS3 and X360 have ended up looking so similar over all, though both do different things better and worse than the other.

Now we have something different coming up - the PS4 is both more powerful on a very basic level than the Xbone (and significantly so) and more powerful on a deeper level, plus it's easier to code for and draw that power out. Developers are not going to hold the PS4 versions back to have parity with the Xbone versions. Developers do not do that. This what they will do: They will push both systems as far as their budget, skill, experience, and time allows. People do not go "oh, this is good enough" and just let potential power sit there without tapping into it.

Note that there is such a power and architecture difference between the two that they will have to do a lot of optimizations on the Xbone just to get games running at the same basic performance level of the PS4 without any. As the year passes and people refine their engines and knowledge with the systems you are going to see some stark differences between the two. This isn't going to be some year 4-5 thing, this is going to be a year 2 thing when people have more time and money as cross-generation support drops off (this is holding back cross-platform title performance more than anything else as X360/PS3 builds eat up a fuckton of time and money).
 

khalid

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If you are seriously that worried about what people spend there money on you will be bitching about shit your whole life.

Can anyone stand to be around you? just curious
You are the one going out of your way to defend the guy. Do you spend your whole life defending people that blow money on stupid shit and high5 them because they can afford a video console? How can anyone with any intelligence stand to be around you is the real question.
 

Xevy

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I don't know, except for elite titles I think game designers would do better off making a baseline version of a game for pc/xb1/ps4 which they could just swap in the buttons/UI differences etc. But then again, I imagine it's these 'elite' games that are the reason you all are arguing about the performance differences.

Also, from what I've seen the edge-online story is the only one that has the 50% power difference quote and is re-quoted throughout the blogosphere. I believe it was the guy from id software, Carmack, that not-so-anonymously said the power differences are too close to call.

The bottom line for me, and probably for the majority of the game market, is you will buy whoever has the unique games.

On a different note:http://kotaku.com/your-xbox-one-and-...-up-1357855006
 

Vaclav

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Xevy: You do understand the development cycle generally has titles done in a basically shippable state waiting on release date for 2-3 months generally these days where the engine and fundamentals are done, just QA and balance stuff is being worked on (Sometimes even longer than 2-3 months - see Blizzard as an example of a super long one) - what do you think the engine guys do for those 2-3 months (or longer) while the rest of the content is being created for it?

Especially considering almost all textures and stuff are submitted by art at the highest resolution imaginable at the time - and often downscaled even for super-high end PCs because they often use "Pixar level" textures and modeling and then the non-art department people scale them to something that can be used without breaking the engine.

So what ends up happening in many development cycles is you either a) have the engine guys basically take a vacation for the last months of development, b) shift them over to a new project and hope they don't get confused if they've got to fix an engine problem that crops up late in the previous project or c) spend their extra time creating tweaks to be implemented on the various platforms.

Absolutely some developers do pick A, and once in a while you'll see one do B - but by and far the majority do C.
 

Column_sl

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You are the one going out of your way to defend the guy. Do you spend your whole life defending people that blow money on stupid shit and high5 them because they can afford a video console? How can anyone with any intelligence stand to be around you is the real question.
Exactly what guy are we defending? or are you that delusional that you believe people who buy both consoles are one collective person..

Put the drugs down man, you are all over the place
 

Sean_sl

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I don't know, except for elite titles I think game designers would do better off making a baseline version of a game for pc/xb1/ps4 which they could just swap in the buttons/UI differences etc. But then again, I imagine it's these 'elite' games that are the reason you all are arguing about the performance differences.

Also, from what I've seen the edge-online story is the only one that has the 50% power difference quote and is re-quoted throughout the blogosphere. I believe it was the guy from id software, Carmack, that not-so-anonymously said the power differences are too close to call.

The bottom line for me, and probably for the majority of the game market, is you will buy whoever has the unique games.

On a different note:http://kotaku.com/your-xbox-one-and-...-up-1357855006
The 50% thing is not an over all power difference, it's a base line GPU difference. This is an absolute fact, the GPU specs are out there. There's actually more to it than that though like the PS4 having 32 ROPS Vs. the Xbone's 16.

Plus, there's the RAM difference. The architecture thing is fairly big. You have to do alotmore work just to get itrunningon the Xbone's ESRAM setup than you do with the PS4's setup. Not to mention the rather large speed advantage there. That kind of shit is going to matter.

These things are not insignificant. The PS4 is going to be able to handle resolution, framerate, object count, draw distances, etc easier. This is especially true with how scaleable engines are these days.

I think people are really misunderstanding and misusing the "coding for the lowest common denominator" thing. It's something that has been applicable to PCs Vs. Consoles this last generation, but not for a pure visuals standpoint (you can typically make PC versions look waaaay the fuck better due to scaleable graphical options). It's something for a game design standpoint for things like how well can we program our AI or how big can we make this zone. Yes, the PS4 and Xbone are similar enough in that regard that it's not going to matter game design wise. That kind of thing is likely what Carmack was referring to, not how one is going to be prettier than the other.

The PS4 versions will just be the prettier version that can have more bells and whistles turned up on a slider in an engine like you would on a better PC Vs. lower PC in setting options. There'll likely be stuff like the PS4 having more densely packed areas in open world games and being able to have more actors and objects on screen, things like that (Watch Dogs and GTA5 do this for the higher end systems and PCs vs the lower end consoles).

Is it going to be like the X360/PS3 versus the Wii graphically? No, of course not. It's just that with the PS4 you'll be able to see farther, have more people on screen, have a higher resolution with less aliasing, nicer shadows, more stable framerate, possibly better textures, things like that.
 

Column_sl

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I was in a conversation with DMK before you jumped between us and wrapped yourself around his testicles.
I don't give a shit about your conversation with the wall. I was making a comment on what Sean was saying earlier.

It was an A to B conversation, so You can C your sorry ass out the door.
 

Column_sl

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Considering you budded in my argument with sean, and claimed at as your own.

Take your own advice. I'm sure Sean is a big enough boy he doesnt need your white knighting
 

Zombie Thorne_sl

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I just hope Sony nails the OS and whole user experience thing. Right now that is my only concern with the PS4, as it seems they did everything right on the gaming side. It sucks getting old, I use my consoles more for content delivery then gaming these days.

My sons 360 exploded a few months ago so we put mine in his room and I've been using the PS3 exclusively... And I still hate the XMB and PS store setup. The 360 just seems so much better on a OS level. Sony has done everything right with the PS4, please god let them nail the OS!!