The Big Bad Console Thread - Sway your Station with an Xboner !

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The amount of stupid in that article is pretty astounding - quoting Infinite as if its development was of normal cost when saying "4 million sales wasn't enough to keep the company afloat" (Not to mention has it ever been stated it wasn't profitable? The stuff I read made it sound like it got them overextended for future products not that past liabilities were a worry) and that "PS2 was selling better at an equivalent point in it's lifecycle" which is blatantly false as we covered here a few pages back.

And with two of three consoles being shit as it appears for the forseeable future, it's going to be a smaller market than when there were 2 strong ones and one casual behemoth. (Christ, the Erikson Community my parents are retired at has Wii bowling three nights a week for the seniors...)

The only "contraction" happening is really getting back to something like PS2 had - which was normal PS1 era was really only PS1 (N64 had really slowed at that point), PS2 was only PS2 - there was a "gaming bubble" the last generation with three solid consoles and a huge influx of gamers - now those gamers are fragmented besides one console. (Speaking worldwide - I know the US isn't a huge split)

Just like MMO's had their bubble for a while. Consoles had theirs that is on the backend now. And that might not even be that bad - even now PS4's aren't trivial to come across - I see them online alot but B&M stores around here have yet to ever have a single PS4 in stock as I've been browsing to date. Not even seen ONE in a B&M store. So clearly there's still some degree of PS4 adoption that's being held back by production.

Additionally, until this generation you didn't have the entire "I'll wait til the game list really gets somewhere" sentiment that has become loud this time - which means there's quite a few people that are going to get one, just not yet.

Or to TL;DR - Thank you for finding an article with tons of holes in it, that only someone who already believed what they were saying would find compelling - it's pretty much a picture perfect example of confirmation bias.

Also, "North America" only - funny thing I thought most games sold worldwide.... except Indies that can't afford to get language conversions.

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kudos_sl said:

No, PS4 hardly had a worldwide release. For arguments sake neither did the Xbone.

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It's moot - if something is "dead" or "dying" or "hurting" or whatever in one market and it's healthy in the rest - it's still pretty damn healthy. You're going all "FOXNews" style on this nonsense - you're taking an argument you invented, take a ton of corner statistics to prove and and ignore the rest.

Just like shit, you compare PS2's January numbers to PS4's when there's a difference of almost 2 whole months to when they launched in North America. (Plus that whole thing with an extra 6 months that it existed in Japan creating a much larger amount of games for the "Well, when there's a game I want..." people)

Things are not synonymous but you're piecemealing random shit together to try to pretend they are.

(Hint: "Lots of PC gamers are doing it because of better graphics" can easily be proven inaccurate with Steam stats - last I checked over 40% are running some sort of integrated garbage)

Sean_sl said:

They must have just had a shipment, because the stock tracker is constantly totally out.

Yeah, grats on using one day of data as proof otherwise.

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Online stock has gotten pretty solid the last week or so, Sean. Finally - after 4-5 months. B&M is still nonexistant that I've seen.

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They are both selling faster than the Wii so all I see is a bunch of vague generalities not backed by data.

Also, one of these days someone should come up with a good definition for "casual gamers". Are they defined by how much they buy? How much they play? The type of games they play?

If it's how much they buy, who cares about consumers who buy a game a year? If that's the type of games they play, they will still be interested in the console experience for party games. If it's how much they play, it means they will be interested by high quality games that are 2 or 3 hours long and that's a format almost non-existent on smart phones.

Smart phone / web games are time wasters so their real competitors are crosswords and sudoku. They also have an impact on handheld games and children games (non-gamer parents having their children play on iPad instead of buying them a WiiU or 3DS - which could be a problem for the future of the industry), but I don't see them having much an impact on console gaming (they are not even in direct competition for money - smart phone & web games are generally inexpensive unless you are in the 1% that get fleeced by f2p - nor in direct competition for time - consoles are played at home, smart phones games on the go and web games at work).

Console sales are dying and the arctic ice sheet is totally gaining ice.

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It always amuses me how delusional the "PC Master Race" people are. While PCs may be "better" for gaming, Consoles aren't going anywhere and are just as popular today as they were years ago. But keep telling yourself that console gaming is dying if it helps you sleep better at night...

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kudos_sl said:

Please realize no where did I say it will go away. All I'm saying is that it's shrinking considerably and will be a shell of it's past self by the end of this generation. It's not going to "go away".

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"a shell of it's past self" is "going away" (Atari 2600 has never "gone away" if you really want to be technical... still specialty stores that sell them to this day) - you really should try to be an expert on FOX you certainly doublespeak like one... Either phrasing is still "The sky is falling" Chicken Little nonsense - just a matter of how much is left afterwards... and what looks to be a 10% contraction at the most from how everything is looking right now is laughably smaller to consider anything remotely as dire as you're prognosticating.

There was a console bubble that is retracting SOME - it's still going to be pretty damn big, just not as ridiculous as it had been growing at. Bubbles happen, get used to it...

You are not Nostradamus - he wasn't certifiably retarded.