The Elder Scrolls Online

Felmega_sl said:

This is probably the best MMO out since WoW.

* It has mass PvP, if you want. Cyrridel(sp?) is like someone dropped a better Darkfall into my ESO.
* It has engaging PvE quests if you want. Want to play in Third or 1st-person? Done.
* The game has interesting skill trees for various builds and players can weapon swap and change roles mid-combat.
* There is an interesting crafting system, where players can craft items with racial appearances.
* The world is huge and has many POI's.
* Graphics are good. Not great, but good.

I just dont see what there is to rail against. ESO is not an indie game where a revolution in MMO's is going to happen. What ESO is though, is asolidgaming experience for MMO lovers.

At this point, I truly think Ut works for Blizzard/SoE and is a shill. No one is this obsessed with something they have no regard for.

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The early leveling game is pretty bad (Needs quite a bit of tweaking)
The whole game isextremelybuggy.

I am seriously worried that we are living in an age where bug testing(Read: Product Quality) takes a far second place to getting the product out of the door.

Felmega_sl said:

This is probably the best MMO out since WoW.

* It has mass PvP, if you want. Cyrridel(sp?) is like someone dropped a better Darkfall into my ESO.
* It has engaging PvE quests if you want. Want to play in Third or 1st-person? Done.
* The game has interesting skill trees for various builds and players can weapon swap and change roles mid-combat.
* There is an interesting crafting system, where players can craft items with racial appearances.
* The world is huge and has many POI's.
* Graphics are good. Not great, but good.

I just dont see what there is to rail against. ESO is not an indie game where a revolution in MMO's is going to happen. What ESO is though, is asolidgaming experience for MMO lovers.

At this point, I truly think Ut works for Blizzard/SoE and is a shill. No one is this obsessed with something they have no regard for.

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Selix_sl said:

The early leveling game is pretty bad (Needs quite a bit of tweaking)
The whole game isextremelybuggy.

I am seriously worried that we are living in an age where bug testing(Read: Product Quality) takes a far second place to getting the product out of the door.

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Maybe you shouldnt beta test MMO's anymore. Because let me tell you something: They are buggy. That's somewhat the point.
I am a gamer from the old-school. Emphasis on old. I only enjoy MMORPG's nowadays. These games have come a long way. There was a time when logging into the same world as other players was enough to nerdgasm.

Complaining about bug is foolish as bugs get fixed. If you dont like the core gameplay, so be it - but I do. I cant say how long Ill play - but I think it's a quality game. I challenge anyone to compare what they are playing to ESO. What is better? Especially for someone looking for large battles.


Edit: I am not saying the game is great. But it is good. Good enough to go at for a month or two, maybe three! If you are a MMO gamer like I am, ESO is worth a box price, imo.

Felmega_sl said:

Maybe you shouldnt beta test MMO's anymore. Because let me tell you something: They are buggy. That's somewhat the point.
I am a gamer from the old-school. Emphasis on old. I only enjoy MMORPG's nowadays. These games have come a long way. There was a time when logging into the same world as other players was enough to nerdgasm.

Complaining about bug is foolish as bugs get fixed.If you dont like the core gameplay, so be it - but I do. I cant say how long Ill play - but I think it's a quality game. I challenge anyone to compare what they are playing to ESO. What is better? Especially for someone looking for large battles.

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WTF

Jesus Fuck... I dont' even...

The ENTIRE PURPOSE behind a Beta is to find and catch bugs like the one where quests break the longer the server stays up. Then, the company has to take those findings and fix them for RELEASE. Which it doesn't appear Zenimax Online is interested in doing. People aren't so much complaining about bugs, they're complaining about show-stopping bugs existing on a product that is scheduled for deployment in two weeks. Learn some perspective you apologetic motherfucker.

So Felmega, you are one of those "people" in my zone chat all weekend.

"Which it doesn't appear Zenimax Online is interested in doing"

This is some bullshit you pulled out of your ass, just like most of the comments from the angry gamers peanut gallery around here. I guess in your tiny mind you think ZO just sits around jacking off all day instead of working hard to stamp out as many bugs as they can before launch, you cynical little bitch. There were many bugs fixed between betas I played. Guess what, many more will be fixed by launch and that will continue throughout.

There damn sure were some obnoxious bugs. Two of the four quest line I was on, I couldn't finish. Yes, it annoyed me so I /bug'd it. Then I went on, having fun on the next quest. Try that, it works.

Now who is going to be the first to compare the MMO they are playing with ESO and tell me why what they play is better... There's your perspective - until then, kiss my ass.

They should call this game The Elder Scrolls: Ostracization

This thread jimmies my rustle.

The bugs that get complained about are the ones that get fixed.

Utnayan_sl said:

I would guess that had to be just trolling. No one thinks that. Not even Rescorla or Blackwulf.

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Told ya. They got some rabids in that bunch who can't see anything... working as intended and all that. The best since TOR. Or Warhammer even.

I mean, I like TOR but those people are insane and will defend it with their lives. Same type of crowd. They won't have any problems selling boxes and three month packages.

Felmega_sl said:

I challenge anyone to compare what they are playing to ESO. What is better? Especially for someone looking for large battles.

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I'm a part-time PvPer, PvE player first.

What reason do I have to pay $60 then pay $15/month instead of logging into GW2 if I want 'large scale battles'? It all looks the same to me; burn down a fucking door, run 10 minutes to another spot and burn down another fucking door.

Felmega_sl said:

There damn sure were some obnoxious bugs. Two of the four quest line I was on, I couldn't finish. Yes, it annoyed me so I /bug'd it. Then I went on, having fun on the next quest. Try that, it works.

Now who is going to be the first to compare the MMO they are playing with ESO and tell me why what they play is better... There's your perspective - until then, kiss my ass.

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You pretty much made my point. Is this acceptable this close to release?

It has nothing to do with comparison, and everything to do with polish. I *like* TESO. Check my post history. I want to play this game. I'm just a bit concerned since the last beta weekend was loaded with bugs and phase issues that in my opinion should not be this overt in a *final* beta which is a big determining factor in whether I'll purchase this game. In my opinion this last beta should have been a stress test a la your release rollout. In software development, we'd call it a QA walk through. In any release I've ever been involved in we don't ever say 'Hey, we'll fix it in production'.

tldr: The game needs to fucking work. Promoting the design or solid aspects are meaningless if it's bug riddled.

Vitality_sl said:

They should call this game The Elder Scrolls:Sheeple

This thread jimmies my rustle.

The bugs that get complained about are the ones that get fixed.

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FTFY.

Look, I'm just as guilty as the next person of liking a game that might not be very good. I did SWG from very early closed Beta, when it actually qualified as an Alpha given the state it was in, and TESO reminds me very much in its current state as SWG did right before release. I even made some of the same arguments that I'm hearing here ("It's beta, it'll be fixed for release"). Never was though. I would caution people high on this game about unrealistic expectations. Regardless of what you may believe, there has never been a "magic release patch" that made everything better. What people experienced this past weekend is more likely than not to be the experience on Live.

At least have the decency to remove the Asheron's Call box from your avatar if you're going to pull this shit

Gecko_sl said:

You pretty much made my point. Is this acceptable this close to release?

It has nothing to do with comparison, and everything to do with polish. I *like* TESO. Check my post history. I want to play this game. I'm just a bit concerned since the last beta weekend was loaded with bugs and phase issues that in my opinion should not be this overt in a *final* beta which is a big determining factor in whether I'll purchase this game. In my opinion this last beta should have been a stress test a la your release rollout. In software development, we'd call it a QA walk through. In any release I've ever been involved in we don't ever say 'Hey, we'll fix it in production'.

tldr: The game needs to fucking work. Promoting the design or solid aspects are meaningless if it's bug riddled.

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Well Im not going to disagree with anything you said. It's disappointing, yes. One thing: There is always the option to wait and not buy the game. The devs will continue to polish the game. Really, Id say by the end of the year the game will really just be getting to a state that most of the posters in this thread want.

Myself, I don't care too much about bugs related to quests. I just shrug and go to the next quest. To each his own but I'm more of an explorer/PvEer/PvPer than a quester or achievement person so it affects me less when a quest fails. I'll readily say it's annoying how EXP is only earned at the last step of a quest chain and often that last step fails, usually a boss mob spawn issue. Yup, that's annoying. I expect that issue to be fixed at release as it's a very widely known and talked about problem.

Felmega_sl said:

One thing: There is always the option to wait and not buy the game. The devs will continue to polish the game. Really, Id say by the end of the year the game will really just be getting to a state that most of the posters in this thread want.

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No they won't, and no it won't. You know why?

""We will make sure that no matter where you live, every player in North America, Europe, Oceania and many places beyond, will have a polished, lag-free launch experience.

It'll already be great and fixed in about 16 days.

/chuckle

Again, why wouldn't someone who wants large scale battles just remain in GW2, or even just buy that cheap box now instead? You haven't really given a compelling argument for paying $15 a month to PvP vs free, and that seems to be the main reason you're playing this.

Felmega_sl said:

Myself, I don't care too much about bugs related to quests. I just shrug and go to the next quest.

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im a fence sitter. i played a weekend a while ago, played again a little bit this weekend and it has definatly got better. Im nervous about only having time to play to level 5-6 though and not seeing anything past the starting area.

Jackdaddio_sl said:

No they won't, and no it won't. You know why?

""We will make sure that no matter where you live, every player in North America, Europe, Oceania and many places beyond, will have a polished, lag-free launch experience.

It'll already be great and fixed in about 16 days.

/chuckle

Again, why wouldn't someone who wants large scale battles just remain in GW2, or even just buy that cheap box now instead? You haven't really given a compelling argument for paying $15 a month to PvP vs free, and that seems to be the main reason you're playing this.

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If you're like me and wanted to like GW2 but hated the classes and the PvE world, you will choose ESO over GW2. The financial costs immaterial. I really enjoy 1st-person perspective in ESO. I think they did a good job with the hand animations and the combat animations. You cannot get that in GW2. So there you have it. Its as simple as that.

I'm not in love with ESO at all. But it's not shit on a stick. It's a pretty fuckin good game. They have a lot of stuff incorporated that your favorite game probably didn't have at release. The game will release and continue to get better.

Felmega_sl said:

If you're like me and wanted to like GW2 but hated the classes and the PvE world, you will choose ESO over GW2. The financial costs immaterial. I really enjoy 1st-person perspective in ESO. I think they did a good job with the hand animations and the combat animations. You cannot get that in GW2. So there you have it. Its as simple as that.

I'm not in love with ESO at all. But it's not shit on a stick. It's a pretty fuckin good game. They have a lot of stuff incorporated that your favorite game probably didn't have at release. The game will release and continue to get better.

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I thought TESO was about a 5/10, but that was because I'm following this questline see, getting all into the story and.. nope. Can't save that chick because she's not there. Okay.. log a few times, try again. Nope. Move onto the next quest (like you suggested). Raz the Black Panther runs up to me with a quest, disappears and can no longer be found. Nice. Hey, this blind guy wants me to go free Big Barda from Dread Prison. So I get her big ass all the way to a wall and.. she can't hit the fucker. Whiffs every time. Quest stalled. Next day, still stalled. Ignore.. but wait.. that's the MAIN quest. Fuck this. Go grind shit.

GW2 didn't have a lot of that. Bugs yeah, but nothing that crippling. The biggest problem I had at launch was getting in there with my friends on the same instance out of the overflow. But all the quests, the jumping puzzles, the Clockwork event, going to ANY zone I wanted to do ANY quest in my level.. yeah. More of that. If I want 'animations' and raiding, I'll play FFXIV (which I do) for $13/month. If I want open world combat, I can do that for free in GW2 (but not at the moment.. bored of it).

Financial costs might be immaterial to you, but I don't think you've seen anyone here saying that and plenty of people can afford to run lots of games. Now magnify that times hundreds of thousands of people and see if they think costs are 'immaterial'. It's just pants-on-head stupid to do that when a game is just 'meh' and not in a proper launch state.

But I'm all for people playing what they want with their money, which is why no one has said you're a dumbass for buying it. They are saying you're a dumbass for defending it.

Jackdaddio_sl said:

GW2 didn't have a lot of that. Bugs yeah, but nothing that crippling. The biggest problem I had at launch was getting in there with my friends on the same instance out of the overflow. But all the quests, the jumping puzzles, the Clockwork event, going to ANY zone I wanted to do ANY quest in my level.. yeah. More of that. If I want 'animations' and raiding, I'll play FFXIV (which I do) for $13/month. If I want open world combat, I can do that for free in GW2 (but not at the moment.. bored of it).

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you kiding me? half the Fates in GW2 didnt work for the better part of a month after release.