The Expanse

Ya, I didnt care for that whole scenario either. All the people that died just because of that one kid. I understand Jim's "reason" , but its all handled just so poorly.

You'd be hard pressed to find many Filip fans from the books either. Some people tried to argue that Peaches was in the same category, but it's apple/oranges (or peaches if you like)

Peaches: Kills some innocent people to frame Holden. I forget the ship death count, but it wasn't massive.

Filip: Directly responsible for helping make possible the murder of BILLLIONS in the Asteroid scheme. Not thousands, not millions, but BILLIONS. He was also personally responsible for the deaths of others outside that.

Even if you could argue both were misguided and both had a twisted sense of revenge that drove their actions, the scale of atrocity is just so vastly skewed that they arent even in the same realm.

I hated Filip in the book, I hated him in the show. Thankfully the books mostly ignore him post book 6, beyond the occasional passing comment.

does it really tho

spronk said:

does it really tho

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Ive been casually watching expanse for quite a while now. I sure af dont want it to end on season 6, even if the story telling has gone off the rails. There is just so much shit this show gets right, over the comparable shows that its just worth watching (for me).

I love the ships and combat on this show. Probably my favorite of any sci fi series. It's reason enough to watch it. I appreciate the realism.

What I didn't care for was: The plot was rather nonsensical. Also Amos needing to buy sex made no sense when he was apparently the only man with a penis in the universe.

I could see Amos preferring to buy sex so he doesn't have to deal with any drama.

He's helping people make a living.

Pharazon2 said:

I could see Amos preferring to buy sex so he doesn't have to deal with any drama.

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The sex you pay for is usually the cheapest

The book and show are pretty close in terms of adaptation. You could pick up book 7 and still follow along just fine. The biggest changes you would find are

1) Alex is still alive
2) Drummer in the show is a combo of Drummer and a belter pirate named Michio Pa. In the books, both characters aren't really factors for the most part in books 7 and onward, so if you're a fan of Drummer in the show, you'll probably be disappointed on that front

If you were a fan of the protomolecule stuff from the first 4 books/seasons, then you'll be happy to know it figures as a major plot element in books 7-9. Book 7 takes place about 30 years after the end of book 6/season 6, so that is partially why book 6/season 6 was a natural stopping point for the show for now

Also you have the badass security guy in book3 I think. Him and the marines fighting through the belter ship was top notch. Badassery all around.

Other than that the books have the same arcs as the show and Naomi/Inares plot line is annoying in the books aswell. But you get more Amos and Peaches adventures on earth. It takes a huge leap in quality again with the laconia story. Still have to read the last book, but I assume it stays interesting there.

So, read the books. They are better than the show.

Blitz said:

I really enjoyed this show overall, probably because it was just a decently produced sci-fi series (the bar is low)... But this show after season 3 just really took a step down. I was "fine" with the show after that, and enjoyed parts of it, but the first 3 seasons were legitimately great.

Did the source material just fall off a cliff after the proto-molecule stuff was resolved? That shit was far more interesting than the Belter shit. I'm sure this has been asked, can I read the books that take place after the series, or do I really need to read the first few. I have a hard time I missed THAT much from the earlier books.

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As others said, its similar enough. I would just read 1-6 book summary spoilers and then dive into 7.

Book 7 is most similar to 2 and 3. Heavy military politics and exploring the protomolocule shit. Book 8 is a lot like the first show season but in reverse, with character closure instead of buildup. Imo if you liked the first 3 best, you'll like the last books. If you liked 5 and 6 micropolitics and more personal character shit than big politics... may be let down. I don't know anyone let down by 7 and very few by 8.

Meanwhile, source material quips about the show... this is something where its kept pretty true to it but just lacks the depth or the purpose that novels can give. Holden nuke blue balls being the big one I hear about. The books have time to really flesh out holden as stubborn and kinda out of touch while the show only really has time for him to be a noble cunt. Without wanting to drop spoilers, they also grew him the most of anyone over the 30 year forced gap, so that moment seemed necessary to evolve someone built to be a rock into becoming different. In the show... yeah just kind of a weak play.

Anyway this series is probably my #2 sci fi show after ds9 but the books are easily my #1 (series at least), so I can't recommend the books enough.

LachiusTZ said:

Amos in the books is old, bald, etc.

Ugly.

Not a sex symbol.

Super glad I bailed on this.

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Amos on the show was amazing, there was many reasons to bail on this show in season 5. Amos was never one of them.

LachiusTZ said:

Amos in the books is old, bald, etc.

Ugly.

Not a sex symbol.

Super glad I bailed on this.

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What?



Amos was one of the best things about the show. He was the best character with a personality that just fit the atmosphere. I am willing to bet that was an actual improvement over the books despite many of the flaws. I honestly would have given fuck all about this show if Amos had not been a strong part of it.

Oh, so you were bailing on the book, not the show version.

That makes a lot more sense.