The Greatest Lie Ever Sold: George Floyd and the Rise of BLM (2022)

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This thread is a chore in watching broken timelines with genetic dead ends that have survived past their expiration on the borrowed works of those that have curated a civilization to keep them safe, such that they can lapse into their larp of a reality.

The main dissident is an individual who acknowledged in the first page or so, that he wasn’t objective. He cares about emotions, emotions are not the features of the rational man that formed society, emotional arguments are the path back to pre society.

When we go back to pre society emotions won’t save anyone.
 
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There's a good reason why a lot of Floyd defenders in this thread don't post in the Politics forum.

Liberal arguments tend to crumble when they don't have the safety of an echo chamber to back them up.

All their arguments are 100% emotion based.

They completely ignore every single piece actual physical evidence and only acknowledge things people said that they agree with.

Warrik Warrik , Szlia Szlia , and Juvarisx Juvarisx refuse to even answer if they believe the witnesses and jurors *might* have been under duress, despite the mountain of evidence saying that of course they were.
 
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Jesus fucking christ, those articles lol.

"he died from lack of oxygen, not fentanyl overdose."

.... fentanyl overdose causes you to slow/stop breathing, which causes a lack of oxygen...

"he died due to blood loss, not from being shot 6 times!"
Reminds me of one of my favorite lines of all time,

"You killed him?"

"No, I shot him. The bullets and the fall killed him."
 
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Gavinmad is #1 on my list of contacts if I ever need someone murdered in the US for a price.

That doesn't make him a tough guy. It's like how women tend to kill via sneaky methods like poison, rather than actual violence or physical confrontation.
 

Rajaah

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Shes definitely a grifter, and she and her husband just exectured a master class grift on Kanye.

I mainly avoid the political side of this forum, as I think the left has gone insane and are sacrificing their ideals on the altar of gender, sexuslity and other BS, but the right cant admit they are just as bat shit crazy worshiping the Orange Man and defend things like Jan 6 (put BLM shirts on those people and change their skin to brown and suddenly Jan 6th would be the talk of the town on the right).

Both parties are a mess...this country desperately needs a centric/moderate party.

I think generally speaking you're right that people will completely change their views on things depending on what shirts are being worn by the people involved. Case in point, all those Youtube videos where people go around asking young people what they think about "this thing Trump said" before telling them it's actually a Biden quote and seeing how their reaction changes. People will jump up and down to defend their guy and attack the other guy no matter what, justifying every stupid goddamn thing their guy says. It's like a disease.

That said, I don't know if Jan 6th would be the talk of the town on the right if you put BLM shirts on those people or changed their skin to brown. For one thing, most of what the right objected to wasn't BLM protesters, it was Antifa agitators setting shit on fire. And like I always say, finding a brown person in Antifa is like playing fucking Where's Waldo. But beyond all of that, Jan 6th was actually tame by the standards of riots that year. No fires set, no one killed by the rioters, no major damage. Sucks that a bunch of cops got injured and that someone pooped on Nancy's desk (if that actually happened).

You could put all the Jan 6th people in BLM shirts and I still wouldn't give a shit because in the grand scheme of things it was fairly minor until the powers that be saw the political value in overinflating its importance. Look at the 2017 stormings of the Supreme Court building during the Kavanaugh hearings and again after he was benched. Leftists stormed in there and tried to break down the doors of the SCOTUS chamber to get to him. It barely made the news, was barely a blip. Most people on the right just criticized it and moved on with their week. Those rioters also killed zero people. My reaction to that was "well, they're entitled to express their opinions" and moved on. Though now in the present day given the constant masturbatory Jan 6th talk from the left, I'm inclined to take more issue with the SCOTUS riots and bring them up as a counterpoint.
 
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You could put all the Jan 6th people in BLM shirts and I still wouldn't give a shit because in the grand scheme of things it was fairly minor until the powers that be saw the political value in overinflating its importance. Look at the 2017 stormings of the Supreme Court building during the Kavanaugh hearings and again after he was benched. Leftists stormed in there and tried to break down the doors of the SCOTUS chamber to get to him. It barely made the news, was barely a blip. Most people on the right just criticized it and moved on with their week. Those rioters also killed zero people. My reaction to that was "well, they're entitled to express their opinions" and moved on. Though now in the present day given the constant masturbatory Jan 6th talk from the left, I'm inclined to take more issue with the SCOTUS riots and bring them up as a counterpoint.
This is a complete misunderstanding or misrepresentation of what happened on January 6th. The protests/protestors themselves are the least interesting/consequential part of what happened that day, and the fact that people keep focusing on the protest itself and not why it happened and who caused it to happen is either intentional ignorance or malicious misdirection.

The protest was not organic. It was entirely astroturfed and organized from the top down. On the day of the event, there was an organizing committee at the Willard Hotel directing the entire plan, which had been laid out over the span of weeks to happen on a very specific day at a very specific time. A handful of ringleaders, taking direction directly from political operatives of the sitting president, set in motion a riot with the express intent of delaying the certification of the election and to force the evacuation of the vice president to a secure location, aka kidnapping. The plan was always to use the riot to get the Secret Service to remove Mike Pence from the Capitol, ostensibly for his own safely, but in actuality so they could stop the certification indefinitely and force a constitutional crisis. Approximately 150 elected representatives in congress went along with all or part of this plan, either knowingly or unknowingly.

Many of those political operatives have since been deposed under oath that they knew the things they were saying were lies, up to and including Rudy Guliani. There are text messages saying they knew what they were doing was a crime at the highest levels imaginable and requests for expedited and/or pre-emptive pardons. If Pence hadn't returned to the joint session to complete the certification that evening, there would have been a constitutional crisis on a level never seen before in American history.

The protestors were just pawns of an extremely dangerous political game of historic proportions. Never in the history of this country have operatives of a sitting president conspired to stop the certification of an election or the peaceful transfer of power. Had they been successful, it would have been the most significant political event in US history and one of the most significant in the history of the world, something people would have talked about for centuries. But it was very clearly a political game puppeteered by a handful of people, and the protestors, being merely pawns, should have all been immediately granted full pardons by the new administration, while the ringleaders and political operatives should have been immediately tried for treason. In the time of our founders, those people would have been executed for this shit.
 
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This is a complete misunderstanding or misrepresentation of what happened on January 6th. The protests/protestors themselves are the least interesting/consequential part of what happened that day, and the fact that people keep focusing on the protest itself and not why it happened and who caused it to happen is either intentional ignorance or malicious misdirection.

The protest was not organic. It was entirely astroturfed and organized from the top down. On the day of the event, there was an organizing committee at the Willard Hotel directing the entire plan, which had been laid out over the span of weeks to happen on a very specific day at a very specific time. A handful of ringleaders, taking direction directly from political operatives of the sitting president, set in motion a riot with the express intent of delaying the certification of the election and to force the evacuation of the vice president to a secure location, aka kidnapping. The plan was always to use the riot to get the Secret Service to remove Mike Pence from the Capitol, ostensibly for his own safely, but in actuality so they could stop the certification indefinitely and force a constitutional crisis. Approximately 150 elected representatives in congress went along with all or part of this plan, either knowingly or unknowingly.

Many of those political operatives have since been deposed under oath that they knew the things they were saying were lies, up to and including Rudy Guliani. There are text messages saying they knew what they were doing was a crime at the highest levels imaginable and requests for expedited and/or pre-emptive pardons. If Pence hadn't returned to the joint session to complete the certification that evening, there would have been a constitutional crisis on a level never seen before in American history.

The protestors were just pawns of an extremely dangerous political game of historic proportions. Never in the history of this country have operatives of a sitting president conspired to stop the certification of an election or the peaceful transfer of power. Had they been successful, it would have been the most significant political event in US history and one of the most significant in the history of the world, something people would have talked about for centuries. But it was very clearly a political game puppeteered by a handful of people, and the protestors, being merely pawns, should have all been immediately granted full pardons by the new administration, while the ringleaders and political operatives should have been immediately tried for treason. In the time of our founders, those people would have been executed for this shit.

This is probably the most intelligent "left" counter-point I've read anywhere on the whole thing. Usually it's just autistic screeching and calling the protesters terrorists.

Absolutely agree that Biden should have pardoned the protesters, or at least made sure they were charged fairly for misdemeanor trespassing rather than throwing them in a goddamn gulag for two years in a way that'd make the Geneva Conventions retch. If Biden was serious about being a unifier, he would have treated those people like, well, people, and also would have ordered audits for the 6(?) states Trump was contesting, to restore people's faith that the election wasn't a con job. Audits in Philadelphia and Detroit would have been great, given how fucking shady the people running the elections in those places behaved on and after election day. Had Biden actually done these things, I fully believe he'd be more well-liked than his current abysmal rating with half the country. He was never a real uniter though. The last guy to call himself that was George W. Bush and that didn't go so hot either.

I can entirely believe that a bunch of political operatives (Bannon etc) came up with the idea to get Pence removed from the capitol by his own security, thus halting the process. That's a pretty smart manuever.

However, what about Trump telling Pelosi's office and the Joint Chiefs to have 10,000 extra National Guard on hand (he vastly overestimated the size of the turnout for his protest, but hey) to make sure things didn't spiral out of control? For a while, left journalism avoided even talking about this, and now some of them seem to be running with it under the narrative that Trump wanted 10,000 troops there to help him seize the capitol. Which is laughable considering he went through the Joint Chiefs, who hated him, to carry this out.

Also what about all the feds stirring up the riot, and capitol police letting people in? Or the magnetic doors?

At the end of the day I can buy that right-wing political operatives had capitol-seizing intentions, and I can also buy that left-wing political operatives saw a Reichstag-like opportunity and helped it happen, or even hoped for it to be a lot worse than it was for future exploitation. With the garden-variety folk caught in the middle and thrown under the jail for two years for taking selfies in the rotunda. Whole thing is ridiculous.
 

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This is a complete misunderstanding or misrepresentation of what happened on January 6th. The protests/protestors themselves are the least interesting/consequential part of what happened that day, and the fact that people keep focusing on the protest itself and not why it happened and who caused it to happen is either intentional ignorance or malicious misdirection.

The protest was not organic. It was entirely astroturfed and organized from the top down. On the day of the event, there was an organizing committee at the Willard Hotel directing the entire plan, which had been laid out over the span of weeks to happen on a very specific day at a very specific time. A handful of ringleaders, taking direction directly from political operatives of the sitting president, set in motion a riot with the express intent of delaying the certification of the election and to force the evacuation of the vice president to a secure location, aka kidnapping. The plan was always to use the riot to get the Secret Service to remove Mike Pence from the Capitol, ostensibly for his own safely, but in actuality so they could stop the certification indefinitely and force a constitutional crisis. Approximately 150 elected representatives in congress went along with all or part of this plan, either knowingly or unknowingly.

Many of those political operatives have since been deposed under oath that they knew the things they were saying were lies, up to and including Rudy Guliani. There are text messages saying they knew what they were doing was a crime at the highest levels imaginable and requests for expedited and/or pre-emptive pardons. If Pence hadn't returned to the joint session to complete the certification that evening, there would have been a constitutional crisis on a level never seen before in American history.

The protestors were just pawns of an extremely dangerous political game of historic proportions. Never in the history of this country have operatives of a sitting president conspired to stop the certification of an election or the peaceful transfer of power. Had they been successful, it would have been the most significant political event in US history and one of the most significant in the history of the world, something people would have talked about for centuries. But it was very clearly a political game puppeteered by a handful of people, and the protestors, being merely pawns, should have all been immediately granted full pardons by the new administration, while the ringleaders and political operatives should have been immediately tried for treason. In the time of our founders, those people would have been executed for this shit.
I was waiting for the “Aristocrats” punchline but it never came. So sad.
 
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This is probably the most intelligent "left" counter-point I've read anywhere on the whole thing.
No it wasn't and the fact that you bought any of it speaks to how profoundly gullible you still are.
 
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With the garden-variety folk caught in the middle and thrown under the jail for two years for taking selfies in the rotunda. Whole thing is ridiculous.

They're willing to let pawns take the fall because they are easy to disown. If any attempt is made at holding the actual ring leaders to account, then it results in the typical circle the wagons bullshit and the witch hunt accusations turned up to 11, which we have already seen plenty of thus far
 

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No it wasn't and the fact that you bought any of it speaks to how profoundly gullible you still are.
I for one would like to hear more insight from Mist Mist about how Donald Trump planned this insurrection to overthrow the government via proxies. Sprinkle in some bragging about how Trump was simultaneously intelligent enough to coordinate this but too stupid to make sure his Wehrmacht were armed.
 
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I for one would like to hear more insight from Mist Mist about how Donald Trump planned this insurrection to overthrow the government via proxies. Sprinkle in some bragging about how Trump was simultaneously intelligent enough to coordinate this but too stupid to make sure his Wehrmacht were armed.

Yep, used FBI assets to help push it but somehow Dems aren’t going after those assets. Just the people who trespassed. It’s almost like this was a government op and only the dumbest people can’t see such obvious signs like RAY EPPS. Mist is one dumb motherfucker but anyone who’s been here for a while knew that long ago. He keeps coming back to political subjects he can’t understand instead of staying in the safe gaming areas. Must like getting BTFO.
 
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No it wasn't and the fact that you bought any of it speaks to how profoundly gullible you still are.

We're living in a full-on Land of Confusion at the moment and finding out what's true or not could be a full-time job. Maybe I am gullible, or maybe I'm nuanced and taking all sides of the current political war and trying to suss out where in the middle the truth actually is. Notice I never said I thought Trump "ordered it" or any of the other garbage MSNBC peddles. Operatives working on his behalf, largely without clearing things with him beforehand? That I can buy. I think a lot of people saw different opportunities on that particular day. A lot of us here saw an opportunity to literally overthrow the government and finally be rid of these morons.

I don't even know yet which is the case as far as me being gullible or nuanced, probably depends on what I'm looking at and how much of a benefit of the doubt I want to give. Though I will say that the mainstream media's complete dishonesty on so many things is the one thing I'm certain of, and whatever side of an issue they're on, the opposite side of that issue is probably the side that'll turn out to have its facts straight. Taking what USA Today or CNN say and going in the opposite direction seems to be the most consistent way to be "right" at this point.

Mark Twain once said that it was better to be "uninformed" than misinformed and that you'd have a better grasp of the truth if you read zero news than if you read the NY Times.
 

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We're living in a full-on Land of Confusion at the moment and finding out what's true or not could be a full-time job. Maybe I am gullible, or maybe I'm nuanced and taking all sides of the current political war and trying to suss out where in the middle the truth actually is. Notice I never said I thought Trump "ordered it" or any of the other garbage MSNBC peddles. Operatives working on his behalf, largely without clearing things with him beforehand? That I can buy. I think a lot of people saw different opportunities on that particular day. A lot of us here saw an opportunity to literally overthrow the government and finally be rid of these morons.

I don't even know yet which is the case as far as me being gullible or nuanced, probably depends on what I'm looking at and how much of a benefit of the doubt I want to give. Though I will say that the mainstream media's complete dishonesty on so many things is the one thing I'm certain of, and whatever side of an issue they're on, the opposite side of that issue is probably the side that'll turn out to have its facts straight. Taking what USA Today or CNN say and going in the opposite direction seems to be the most consistent way to be "right" at this point.

Mark Twain once said that it was better to be "uninformed" than misinformed and that you'd have a better grasp of the truth if you read zero news than if you read the NY Times.
It's hard to know what's true or not but not for everything. You can be certain that anything out of the Jan 6 committee is misinformation and lies. If what Mist said was true in any way, the evidence of it would be plastered all over the media and the internet instead of being locked away for decades by the same committee. It's bullshit and Mist is truly low IQ if she believes that shit.
 
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They're willing to let pawns take the fall because they are easy to disown. If any attempt is made at holding the actual ring leaders to account, then it results in the typical circle the wagons bullshit and the witch hunt accusations turned up to 11, which we have already seen plenty of thus far

I've noticed the GOP was more than happy to let the pawns get thrown under the jail too. If Trump got back into office he'd pardon them and I'm sure DeSantis or Rand would as well, but I don't know about anyone else from the big fat corrupt GOPe.

I for one would like to hear more insight from Mist Mist about how Donald Trump planned this insurrection to overthrow the government via proxies. Sprinkle in some bragging about how Trump was simultaneously intelligent enough to coordinate this but too stupid to make sure his Wehrmacht were armed.

I don't think Mist actually said Trump planned it, but that political operatives did. Maybe she thinks Trump was also involved, IDK. I was responding to what she actually said though.

And no, it makes no sense to me that Trump was behind any kind of "coup" at the same time he was telling Pelosi's office and Milley to drastically ramp up security. Milley said he'd take care of it, and what'd he do? Absolutely fuck all. Wouldn't be surprised if the security was actually LIGHTER than a normal day. It certainly appears that way and we haven't even seen the vast majority of the evidence yet.

I think they laid a mousetrap out for Trump and he fell right into it along with his supporters. Trump operatives had some ideas, Uniparty operatives got wind of it and figured out how to turn it into a trap. I think they really believed those people would destroy the building or set it ablaze, and when nobody did much of anything outside of a few hammer-wielding feds, it was a big disappointment for the Uniparty. Like if all four planes on 9/11 had been retaken by the passengers. So much for the endless wars, that'd be out the window. The best the Uniparty can hope for now is to just try to rewrite history and try to re-define 1/6 as a terror attack. Tucker put it best the other night when he said that Ashli Babbit's grandkids might not even know what really happened because by then the history books about 2021 will be so distorted.
 

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I for one would like to hear more insight from Mist Mist about how Donald Trump planned this insurrection to overthrow the government via proxies. Sprinkle in some bragging about how Trump was simultaneously intelligent enough to coordinate this but too stupid to make sure his Wehrmacht were armed.
You didn't read. They don't have to be armed. The "insurrection" is just an excuse to get Pence out of the Capitol, which merely requires the perimeter be breached. There was never an attempt to overthrow the government by force. The plan was obviously to take Pence to a secure location long enough to either buy more time to convince him to go along with the plan, or just time to sow more doubt. Then they could either proceed with either the alternate-elector plan or just getting the process far enough outside the bounds of normal constitutional procedures that the Supreme Court would have to get involved.

All of this shit is in texts, emails and depositions that are part of the factual record. Peter Navaro effectively admitted half the plot thing on live TV. The only thing that is missing are the texts from the Secret Service which are conveniently wiped.

No one is going to "BTFO" me with their MyPillowGuy-level conspiracy theories.
 
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hahaha, i forgot he was COVID positive. Well, i reassess my position. It wasnt fentanyl, he died from COVID.

I'd actually love to know if Floyd was counted as a COVID death or not in the hospital records. As far as I know, he most likely was, given what we know about hospitals overcounting as much as they could to get that government pandemic funding.

Finding out that Floyd "died of COVID" in the official record would pretty much be the ultimate coup de grace of putting a bullet in all of 2020's narratives at once, wouldn't it?
 

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Who cares what really happened, all that matters is what's repeated loudest and most often, we might remember something differently but someday we'll all be dead. The schools will tell the tale of the grand civil rights movement of the 2020's, saint Floyd, the great plague and the rise of fascism in America and how because of Russia and white supremacy the financial system collapsed. Case closed.
 
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