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Sylas said:
In my experience so far there are only a few builds that can really deal with 30+ mobs

Proc build (war and/or bst) using aoe weapons
Bard kiting using DDD
Necro with soul well staff (shissar deathspeaker or seance staff)

The proc build kills everything within 6-12 seconds. The bard kites and avoids all dmg, the necro is the only one who can face tank an "unlimited" number of mobs (as long as they don't die within a server tick they are fully healed every 6 seconds)

All 3 builds improve based on gear, which translates in to the size of pulls they can make. I can pull all of DN in 1 pull with my necro for example, but a lot of it dies from soul well during the pull itself.

Now any class with a riposte or dodge disc can tank 30+ mobs for however long the disc lasts but that isn't really efficient for farming AAs and without a way to kill them all before the disc expires it doesn't really accomplish anything.

Sk/shm/rog isn't really an aoe build so I wouldn't judge it's strength based on how well it handles huge pulls.
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Yea, face tanking 30+ mobs at the same time with SK requires defensive cooldowns. The SK/BRD/x has superlative defensive cooldowns with deftdance and shield block (SK's Deflection Disc), but the SK/ROG/x also gets the riposte disc, it just doesn't have the AA to lower the cooldown like deftdance.

I don't know the SHM kit, but if they have two or three AoEs that can be chain cast and can trigger Symp Strike 6, it's probably doable. For the SK/x/WIZ a full cooldown facetank is [Riposte Disc][Twincast][Frenzied Devastation]. Not much survives 3 casts after that. Now the last one is WIZ only, but w/o that, I would think it would only add two or three more casts, which should still be in the Riposte window. If it isn't, there is always the shield block SK disc. (although that would make doing the zone in two pulls much slower).


This got long, so breaking it up a bit. This is reiterating my own experiences farming in DN, much of which I have probably already said in various previous posts. Also, with these routes, if I didn't want to loot anything, I could probably clear the zone before respawn:

My SK/ROG/WIZ and SK/BRD/WIZ can both easily handle DN in two pulls and face tank them as the come in (the pulls get spread out enough that you are usually only tanking 15 to 20 at a time). I would estimate this to be the case since around 1000 AA and maybe 400 spell power (a full cooldown burn could probable do at least one pull before that). I could facetank both DN pulls in one pull with cooldowns, but I got used to doing it in two since it's far less risky and looting all of DN takes so long mobs start to poof.​
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The first pull, that gives the most XP, is every single mob in the top, including spawning all 5 or 6 bone dragons, along with every slime, minus 1 in the small rat tunnel, w/o using cooldowns (about 15% of the time RNG will fail and I pop Leach touch, shield block immune, or riposte immune). The second pull is every single rat in the big tunnel minus the 4(?) standing above the first big lip on the ramp. The rats are more bunched up, and make me use a cooldown about 50% of the time.​
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I haven't tried it, but once you have all the riposte AA, you might be able to add the Leechcurse Disc into the running for defensives too, as it makes all white damage you do also heal you.​
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Finally, at 55 (I think) and ~400 AA, I would pull the rat tunnels in three pulls, then facetank them. Pull 1 was lava tunnel and dragon tunnel. Pull 2 was tunnel up to the water, then double back and run to the north branch off the big cave. Pull 3 was the rest of the big cave.​
 
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monk/berz combo is great for swarm killing AA. You have to pop destructive AA and Whirlwind disc, but both are under 15 min cooldown. Zone respawns are 10 min, so there is a tiny bit of a delay, but you can pull every single mob in Dragon Necropolis and burn them down in seconds. Rinse repeat every 15 min and you are swimming in AA.
 
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One thing to note is symp strike only hits your target whether you cast single target or aoe spells so its basically not even a consideration in an aoe pull.

And yes I should have included mnk/zerk combo as any build combo that can with specials/disc kill everything (unlimited target cap) before they can kill you works for AA farming
 
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most builds that include wizard do so for the AAs that massively improve spell crit and crit damage, they rarely cast any wizard spells.

But the rule of thumb with any spell is to cast the lowest level fastest casting spell that cost at least 10mana (that requirement is mostly for Symp strike so is more for single target).

On my war/bst/wiz I have Fingers of Fire (lvl 5, 1.7s cast speed) and project lightning (lvl 14, 2.3s cast speed) mem'd, I use them to clean up any adds that didn't die during rorz/bloodlust windows. both are blue gems
 
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Which AE spells do you use as a wizard? The blue ones or the green ones or the orangish ones?
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On SK/ROG/WIZ I use Fingers of Fire (Blue), Winds of Giled (Blue), Icestrike (Orange), and Inferno of Al'kalbor (Green). Inferno only gets used if everything else is on cooldown. On SK/BRD/WiZ I use the two blue (safe) and DDD (which I have killed myself with, when paired with cooldowns).

Also, here is a handy dandy map I drew on for my route, stepping on every bone pile to spawn dargons, because why not:
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Sorry that should have been more specific. Pal/enc/wiz. I cast the largest nukes, at least until I get lures. But I wasn't sure what to use for AES in DN.
 
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Sorry that should have been more specific. Pal/enc/wiz. I cast the largest nukes, at least until I get lures. But I wasn't sure what to use for AES in DN.
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With spellpower, even the low level AoEs are hitting for over 2000, so I'm not sure it would be any different, but I would start with blue, if you are face tanking, then move on to orange or green in the rotation (whatever works to keep all blue spells on cooldown). I guess you could just load up on all blue spells, working down the levels/"ranks" (or up... or mix and match). Casting time is a factor to take into consideration, as longer cast time = more interruptions.

ENC is interesting for swarming, as the AoE stun would be nice for face tanking too.
 
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Yeah, I knew about downranking, but i didnt realize they would still hit that hard. When i'm fighting crap 1v1 i use cease/desist to abuse the spellpower stuff. I've got enc epic to help with cast time, just need to max out quick damage. Mind you, i'm not uber geared or anything, my SD is only around 250 right now.
 
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Yeah, I knew about downranking, but i didnt realize they would still hit that hard. When i'm fighting crap 1v1 i use cease/desist to abuse the spellpower stuff. I've got enc epic to help with cast time, just need to max out quick damage. Mind you, i'm not uber geared or anything, my SD is only around 250 right now.
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I kinda forgot that I only have crits showing and that 2000+ is crits, but since you are a wiz, the massive crits should be the same. I might be wrong for using the low level AoE, if symp strike only hits 1 target, so probably experiment with it too.

I also have the ENC epic buff on my buff bot, which it up on the SK/ROG/WIZ at all times, but still, the max level spells get interrupted more often, so there is that, I guess.
 
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here is 1 DN pull on my war/bst/wiz:

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Word of Pain (proc from a pair of normal painbringers, i'm poor) is a lvl 35 AOE spell that does 24-29 AOE dmg, but it wouldn't have mattered if it was a lvl 1 spell that did 1-2 dmg. Base spell dmg is irrelevant, with AAs and Spell Power you can see how much dmg i'm doing. Avg hit is 1402, av crit 2076....from a 24-29 dmg spell.
 
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I cast WiZ spells on boss fights and AoE for SK/ROG/WIZ, even out of twincast cooldown. The top level nuke hits as hard as rogue poisons, then I cast either the low level fire nuke or tap, depending on what I need, then let a few swings get through for poison procs. It's much faster than just autoattacking /w procs and backstabing, when out of cooldowns.

Here is my spell crit window showing casts and procs on a boss. Of course it doesn't compare to ZRK/MNK/CLR in cooldowns, but I would be surprised if the Zerker Monk would clear NToV much faster than SK/ROG/WIZ:
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just killed sleeper for the first time on my war/bst/wiz, didnt even have the right spells mem'd and lost the pet in the first 5 seconds and I killed him easily, i was never in any danger at all...

so of course that means nows the time to level up another alt who can kill sleeper so i can get 3x the loot per day. Ber/Mnk/Clr here we go
 
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Jox and Kirun were spot on with how to set up sleeper with BER/MNK/CLR and I killed him on the next lockout. Also make sure to grab the second set of macros from the disco channel (the dude who took screenshots of them), as they simplify it. I need to mash the macros numerous times to get them work though, probably because I am spaming the punch/kick/frenzy macro all the time.

I have also been working on getting gear for my petcuck to do a 3rd sleeper kill but holy shit it needs a lot of gear for the PC and 3 pets. Not to mention the mage epic is the worst one I did so far, with cleric a close second (skyfire pearls suck)... which are both BiS for petcuck.
 
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So is there a reason to stay in the 50s in DN, or should I just level up to 60? Is there some "sweet spot" for AA?
 
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For those who play pet classes heavily, how does gear work? I have searched all over but the best I found was a video from the guy above where he appears to have 3 bags(one for each pet) in the bank and the pet gear is in that? This way when/if they die and I summon a new one it still has that gear. Is this true?

where can I find information on pets and gear specifically? The wiki has a single mention of #mystats or something but now how to actually gear them
 
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Rangoth said:
For those who play pet classes heavily, how does gear work? I have searched all over but the best I found was a video from the guy above where he appears to have 3 bags(one for each pet) in the bank and the pet gear is in that? This way when/if they die and I summon a new one it still has that gear. Is this true?

where can I find information on pets and gear specifically? The wiki has a single mention of #mystats or something but now how to actually gear them
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You can buy the pet bags from the bag merchant in the bazaar. Mages will get an AA at 50 to summon a 15 slot pet bag that only works on mage pets, basically replaces the merchant one.
 
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Rangoth said:
For those who play pet classes heavily, how does gear work? I have searched all over but the best I found was a video from the guy above where he appears to have 3 bags(one for each pet) in the bank and the pet gear is in that? This way when/if they die and I summon a new one it still has that gear. Is this true?

where can I find information on pets and gear specifically? The wiki has a single mention of #mystats or something but now how to actually gear them
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Pet bags can be used from the bank and all but the AA mage one is 4 slots. You are given one for each pet class you have, when doing the intro "Quest" or you can buy them from the bag vendor in the Baz. You put items in the bag and the pet equips them every single time they are summoned/charmed. The Mage gets a special larger bag when they hit 50 with 15 slots (it's an AA that you need to click to summon, once hitting 50). The gear in the bags does not need to be bound to you and wont bind to you when you summon the pet (last I looked).

You can only chose to use the pet bags or give the pet items, not both.

Disco is where the best info is at. The #classtheorycrafting channel has all the popular builds, usually with pins at the top with good info. Dunno if this link will work, but it should go directly to the minion build, then look for the pin button at the top:
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