The Hobbit

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The only parts of this movie that I really enjoyed were the dwarves singing, Bilbo's character in general (I felt like the character was really well done/portrayed and I loved it) and Radaghast (sp.). The rest of the movie seemed way too full of poor-quality cheesy cgi cutscenes.
 
Lenas

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I was okay with the movie until the very end. Fuck you, Jackson, for showing just a god damn eyeball.
 
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j00t_sl said:
was radaghast in the book? not that i remember, if he did it was, what... 2 sentances? but i'm telling you i giggled like a school girl when i saw him on screen. and he was exactly how i pictured him. as saruman so quaintly said it, "Addled by all the mushrooms he eats."
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No offense, but I don't think "giggling like a school girl" should be seen in a positive light when we are talking Middle-earth.


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rag tag of dwarves... and a wizard! also they didn't loose, the dwarves had to run away after killing maybe a few dozen goblins.
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They slaughtered 100s of goblins dude. The fucking juke-spin-move-bowlingball-pin-knock-over-stupidity was just over the top.

Honestly, I don't understand people saying the movie was decent. It failed on so many levels. Why did they butcher what should have been golden?
 
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Fyro_sl said:
No offense, but I don't think "giggling like a school girl" should be seen in a positive light when we are talking Middle-earth.




They slaughtered 100s of goblins dude. The fucking juke-spin-move-bowlingball-pin-knock-over-stupidity was just over the top.

Honestly, I don't understand people saying the movie was decent. It failed on so many levels. Why did they butcher what should have been golden?
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saw it again tonight with a friend who hadn't seen it yet. honestly, my opinion of the movie has changed somewhat. i kinda agree with you, fyro. they really made the movie too kiddie and it would have been markedly better if done in a more serious and adult tone like the LOTR was. watching it a second time, the goblin escape scene really upset me because it's a serious battle in the book and in the movie i thought they made it too disney and just rather absurd. it just doesn't really hold water when compared to the fellowship in any aspect.
 
Khalan

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Goblin escape was dumb and over the top. In FOTR when they are in Moria, you had this real sense of danger, especially after the scene with the Troll shanking Frodo, meanwhile in The hobbit, they plow through 1000 goblins no problem then SURF the fucking bridge down a thousand foot canyon unscathed? I mean I know it's fantasy but that was borderline Three Stooges comedy shit. Not to mention the Goblin King was like a fatter Rodney Dangerfield type character.

I love the original Trilogy, and LIKED the hobbit, but they could have cut a good 30 mins of scenes (Rock Giants? Lol) and still made it a great movie.
 
Siddar

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Was a bit disappointed by it. Story just lacks the epic feel that the lord of the rings trilogy had. The dwarfs just lack the star power that human hero's had in lord of the rings.

The Romanian super Orc seemed out of place for middle earth did he come to middle earth from another dimension?

The whole storm giant and goblin city portions of the movie seemed to be there only to attract a younger audience and to provide cheezy content for a crappy video game. The goblin city fight should have shown the heroic nature of the dwarfs with dwarfs using the magical weapon they had found to rip the goblins to peaces. Instead it was used as mostly slap stick comedy.
 
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also, aside from Thorin all the dwarves felt interchangeable. after bilbo's house i could barely tell one of them from another and i sure as shit forgot all of their names as soon as they set off from Bag End
 
Aychamo BanBan

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I sincerely hope Jackson re-cuts hobbit 2 and 3 and takes out some of the stupid shit that ruined part 1. It's amazing this is the same person that did LOTR.
 
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etchazz_sl said:
i've read the hobbit 6 times in my life. my point isn't that there wasn't singing and some humor in the book, my point is that the humor wasn't there in the book when they were in danger. the danger in the book felt real and prevalent, especially when they were trying to escape from the goblins and when bilbo first meets gollum. there are of course several more confrontations coming up in the next 2 movies, so i'll be interested to see how they deal with those encounters, but it wasn't the same as it was in the LOTR movies, especially the fellowship. i don't know, maybe it was that the acting was just better in the LOTR, or the characters were given much more depth, but even though i knew what was going to happen when i watched the LOTR movies, it still felt suspenseful to me, it felt more epic. this movie with the cheesy one liners (like when ghaldalf slices the goblin king's stomach and throat) just seemed to take away from the suspense of the movie for me. don't get me wrong, i still thought it was a good movie, i just didn't find it nearly as unforgettable as the fellowship was to me.
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I always felt that the action was more lighthearted in the book until you hit the end, and that there was a subtle shift in tone that reflected Thorin's change as the treasure became a reality. Maybe it was just my reading.

I do agree that LoTR was a better movie, but I think this was not intended for the same audience, really. Or the same mindset.
 
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Wizardhawk_sl said:
The only parts of this movie that I really enjoyed were the dwarves singing, Bilbo's character in general (I felt like the character was really well done/portrayed and I loved it) and Radaghast (sp.). The rest of the movie seemed way too full of poor-quality cheesy cgi cutscenes.
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I can't wait for the soundtrack so I can play the dish washing song again!
 
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Khalan_sl said:
Goblin escape was dumb and over the top. In FOTR when they are in Moria, you had this real sense of danger, especially after the scene with the Troll shanking Frodo, meanwhile in The hobbit, they plow through 1000 goblins no problem then SURF the fucking bridge down a thousand foot canyon unscathed? I mean I know it's fantasy but that was borderline Three Stooges comedy shit. Not to mention the Goblin King was like a fatter Rodney Dangerfield type character.

I love the original Trilogy, and LIKED the hobbit, but they could have cut a good 30 mins of scenes (Rock Giants? Lol) and still made it a great movie.
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This is exactly how I felt. Last night I was thinking about this and I kept thinking of the mines of Moria scene when they escape and when the Balrog fights Gandolf over the chasm. Imagine if there would have been some super cheesy dialogue between Gandolf and the Balrog, instead we have the fucking powerful, "You shall not pass." That felt real and the danger was palpable.

I really sincerely hope that PJ picks up his limp dick and does something with it in the second and third movie. I have been saying this since I saw those god-awful previews, they went for a kiddy version movie and we get this steaming pile of shit.

As to the super-orc, what was that about? I don't remember that from the book, but then again I don't remember a lot from the book. He seemed way unbelievable- I mean everything seemed unbelievable so I guess that doesn't surprise me much.

Surfing a bridge down a 2thousand foot chasm should have opened my eyes. Oh, and the fucking storm giants, lols.
 
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http://www.worldcrunch.com/culture-s.../#.UO4SpW-1X-s

MY FATHER'S "EVISCERATED" WORK - SON OF HOBBIT SCRIBE J.R.R. TOLKIEN FINALLY SPEAKS OUT
Christopher Tolkien gave his first ever press interview with Le Monde, shedding light on his father's vision and sharing his own deep dismay with Hobbit director Peter Jackson.

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What follows is the first ever press interview of Christopher Tolkien, the official executor of J.R.R. Tolkien's estate, and the interpreter of his father's unpublished works. This original article and interview appeared in Le Monde on July 9, 2012. With the film version of the The Hobbit hitting theaters, we are publishing it for the first time here in English.
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Invited to meet Peter Jackson, the Tolkien family preferred not to. Why? "They eviscerated the book by making it an action movie for young people aged 15 to 25," Christopher says regretfully. "And it seems that The Hobbit will be the same kind of film."
This divorce has been systematically driven by the logic of Hollywood. "Tolkien has become a monster, devoured by his own popularity and absorbed into the absurdity of our time," Christopher Tolkien observes sadly. "The chasm between the beauty and seriousness of the work, and what it has become, has overwhelmed me. The commercialization has reduced the aesthetic and philosophical impact of the creation to nothing. There is only one solution for me: to turn my head away."

while i can understand chris' frustration with "the hobbit", i thought overall the LOTR movies were amazing and stuck at least fairly close to the books (at least as much as time would allot). although that's pretty fucking ballsy of new line cinema to try and withhold money from the tokien family saying the movies weren't profitable. are you fucking kidding me? each movie made over a billion dollars world wide.
 
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Yeah, the studios were fucking greedy with the LotR movies, they even tried to screw Peter Jackson out of paying him some of the money he was owed, one of the original reasons he swore off ever making the hobbit is because the studios upset him that much over it. Heard about them trying to screw over the Tolkien family as well, so stupid
 
Royal

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Fyro_sl said:
This is exactly how I felt. Last night I was thinking about this and I kept thinking of the mines of Moria scene when they escape and when the Balrog fights Gandolf over the chasm. Imagine if there would have been some super cheesy dialogue between Gandolf and the Balrog, instead we have the fucking powerful, "You shall not pass." That felt real and the danger was palpable.
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While I agree with what you're saying about how the escape from the goblin king was handled, it's sorta unfair to compare it to what went down in Moria. Gandalf standing down the Balrog at the bridge was one of the pivotal, defining moments in the entire trilogy. A lot of the sense of danger in those books stayed down below the surface and Tolkien often asks his readers to just trust him on how imposing and formidable many of those dangers are (this is actually one of the challenges of translating the books to movies; the often ill-defined nature of the antagonists). That scene was one in which it was displayed in all of it's fell majesty. The only other scenes from the books that really compared to it was the Witch King entering Minis Tirith and later dying at the hands of Eowyn.
 
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To an extent I feel fiction like Game of Thrones and Walking Dead has raised the bar for me personally on what needs to happen for scenes to have a sense of danger.

This statement is a little ironic given what happens to Sean Bean in GoT/LotR.
 
McCheese

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Christopher Tolkien is a pretentious fuckwad and if the LOTR and Hobbit movies had been made to preserve the "aesthetic and philosophical impact of the creation" they would have BOMBED at the box office. Why? Because shit like that doesn't translate well into movies, and even when done well will never generate much in terms of profit and success.

I'm not defending all of the changes made to the movies (see my original post in this thread; I had several criticisms of The Hobbit movie) but making the movies have a wider appeal and more acion oriented does NOTHING to harm the original works or change their cultural impact. If anything, the fact that millions more people might acually pick up the books after seeing a fun-to-watch film will HELP the original works become more popular. Turning the books into a shitty arthouse flick doesn't have a good result for anyone.
 
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There is a happy medium between to-the-letter translation andzanyescape from Goblin Town. Some of us were hoping Jackson would hit it, based on the strength of what he did with the LotR films. The film didn't have to be Cartoonish to appeal to children.
 
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