The Hobbit

Muligan · Dec 19, 2013

I have a strange feeling that Saruman is either going to kill, banish, or whatever Radaghast as a nod of Saruman turning. I'm pretty sure, if my memory serves me, we are never told Radaghasts fate after he speaks to the eagles. I also have a feeling we may see a Yoda moment were Radaghast goes freak on some enemies just to show he is actually powerful even if Saruman looks down on him.

Ravishing · Dec 19, 2013

Going to be some deaths in the next movie, gotta remember they will spend at least 5 minutes of screen time per death. At least 15-25 minutes right there!

Fili, Kili, Thorin, maybe Tauriel, maybe Radaghast

Not counting Smaug.

Itlan · Dec 19, 2013

Why would Radagast die? He's the one who sends Gwaihir to save Gandalf. He's alive at least until the Council of Elrond.

Breakdown · Dec 19, 2013

Itlan_sl said:
Why would Radagast die? He's the one who sends Gwaihir to save Gandalf. He's alive at least until the Council of Elrond.

that was changed in the original Trilogy....Gandalf sends the butterfly to get him help

Asmadai · Dec 19, 2013

I mean, really even though the goblins/orcs in the books were simply motivated to war over the death of the Great Goblin, given they are the creations of Morgoth, they are (in an indirect way, mind you) minions of Sauron who still do his bidding. Hell, based on the concept of wide-spread evil caused by Morgoth from the bookMorgoth's Ring, one could even say the Orcs/Goblins warring with the forces of good was caused by Morgoth's will even long after his entrapment behind the Door of Night.

Ok, /nerd off.

And no, Radagast better not be killed off. That's taking too much liberty, Mr. Jackson.

Chris · Dec 19, 2013

Goblin Army from Misty Mountains (avenge Great Goblin) and Orc Army from Moria (New Orc baddie subplot)? I don't think they will put in an army from Sauron, been there done that.

I'm watching this in 2 days but in the first film they show Dul Guldur to be empty other than for a Ringwraith and Sauron, the material in the appendices mentions him secretly rebuiling Mordor.

etchazz · Dec 19, 2013

Chris_sl said:
Goblin Army from Misty Mountains (avenge Great Goblin) and Orc Army from Moria (New Orc baddie subplot)? I don't think they will put in an army from Sauron, been there done that.

I'm watching this in 2 days but in the first film they show Dul Guldur to be empty other than for a Ringwraith and Sauron, the material in the appendices mentions him secretly rebuiling Mordor.

ummm, prepare to be disappointed then.

Troll_sl · Dec 20, 2013

Such a horrible fucking movie, just as disappointing as the first.

How much can you pad a movie? By approximately 80%. Thanks Peter Jackson, you insufferable twat. I lost 2 hours out of my life.

supertouch_sl · Dec 20, 2013

Finally got around to seeing the first movie and it just felt like Lord of the Rings redux. He needs to abandon this shit and make The Frighteners 2.

Maul · Dec 20, 2013

McCheese_sl said:
Given the events of this movie, I imagine that during the battle of 5 armies members of the White Council will show up to assist Gandalf and have a showdown with Sauron. He sent Radaghast to inform them about Sauron being present in Dol Guldur, so I'm sure they'll turn up there. They'll take advantage of Sauron's orc army being gone to throw him out of Dol Guldur.

After that, I think Gandalf will be the one to muster the eagles and fly to Erebor to aid the elves, dwarves, and men in the battle which will be ongoing at that point.

Galadriel sings at Dol Guldur and the whole thing explodes or some shit.

Lenas · Dec 21, 2013

Troll_sl said:
Such a horrible fucking movie, just as disappointing as the first.

How much can you pad a movie? By approximately 80%. Thanks Peter Jackson, you insufferable twat. I lost 2 hours out of my life.

What the fuck ever, man. This movie is worth watching JUST for Smaug. Jesus christ, he was awesome.

Troll_sl · Dec 21, 2013

Yes. Smaug, the dragon that can hear Bilbo's calm breathing, but can't hear 8 fucking dwarves stomping around.

No plot holes introduced there when they decided to do that extended scene inside the fucking mountain that didn't make any sense.

No shitty, unneccesary additions were made to the movie AT ALL. Not even the abomination of a barrel-riding scene. Or the fucking Legolas shit. WHY ARE YOU IN THIS FUCKING MOVIE?

spronk · Dec 21, 2013

Troll_sl said:
Yes. Smaug, the dragon that can hear Bilbo's calm breathing, but can't hear 8 fucking dwarves stomping around.

smaug lyfe

Dumar_sl · Dec 21, 2013

Yeah seriously, having seen it again, it's a pretty bad movie, especially the end. They did Smaug well, but the situation he was put in was fucking terrible writing, like a typical cgi action movie plot type shit. The bumbling around for 20 minutes to dump gold on him was stupid and made no sense. I mean why do you send a burglar in first if all the dwarves are coming in right after?

Jackson has gotten pretty fucking stupid or probably just apathetic as fuck sitting atop his mountain of gold.

Xalara · Dec 21, 2013

I thought Radaghast, after the events of The Hobbit, more or less just "disappears" and is one of the failed Maiar Istari?

Quineloe · Dec 21, 2013

Troll_sl said:
Yes. Smaug, the dragon that can hear Bilbo's calm breathing, but can't hear 8 fucking dwarves stomping around.

he claimed to hear the breathing. Nothing actually indicated he could.

Kuriin · Dec 21, 2013

Gunnar_sl said:
that was changed in the original Trilogy....Gandalf sends the butterfly to get him help

You sure he didn't send the butterfly to speak to Radagast?

Radagast was unwittingly used by Saruman to lure Gandalf to Orthanc, where Gandalf was captured. However, Radagast also unwittingly helped rescue the grey wizard by alerting the eagles of Gandalf's journey there. This was his only real known contribution to the War of the Ring

When messengers from Elrond tried to approach Radagast for his aid in the fight against Sauron, they found his dwellings at Rhosgobel empty. His fate after the War of the Ring is not known.

lurkingdirk · Dec 21, 2013

Dumar_sl said:
Yeah seriously, having seen it again, it's a pretty bad movie, especially the end. They did Smaug well, but the situation he was put in was fucking terrible writing, like a typical cgi action movie plot type shit. The bumbling around for 20 minutes to dump gold on him was stupid and made no sense. I mean why do you send a burglar in first if all the dwarves are coming in right after?

Jackson has gotten pretty fucking stupid or probably just apathetic as fuck sitting atop his mountain of gold.

Are you saying Jackson is Smaug?

Troll_sl · Dec 21, 2013

Quineloe_sl said:
he claimed to hear the breathing. Nothing actually indicated he could.

He knew exactly where Bilbo was, even when he used the ring.

etchazz · Dec 22, 2013

Troll_sl said:
He knew exactly where Bilbo was, even when he used the ring.

yeah, i think he could smell him as well as hear him. i actually really liked the beginning sequence with bilbo and smaug. they did a great job in capturing the vastness of the lair in the movie (as well as the amount of treasure). where they lost it is when they did the keystone cops thing for 20 minutes through the dwarves' city just to dump gold on him which didn't even do anything whatsoever. lazy writing and directing. if it doesn't add to the story, take it out. that entire part was pointless and didn't add to or progress the story at all.

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