^ It reeks of the formulaic, almost-comedic pg13 cgi action sequences typical of every single action movie released today. That's what it was, and that's what Tolkien has been formally reduced to.
The Hobbit
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i honestly don't understand how peter jackson could do the LOTR movies so brilliantly, and then fuck up the hobbit movies so epically. i mean, the LOTR weren't perfect (except for the fellowship), but they were a metric fuck ton better than what the hobbit movies are.
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How was Fellowship perfect? No Tom Fucking Bombadil.
Yeah, coulda done without Smaug chasing the dwarves around for 10 minutes. It really took the some of his aura away and cheapened the encounter with Bilbo.
I don't mind Legolas and Tauriel being added because at least you can see it leading to a place where they're trying to explain some of Legolas' role in LoTR. Tauriel is going to die, and as she dies she's going to make Legolas' promise to do what he can to destroy the evil for all the world, regardless of what his father wants. Their action sequences are over the top, but whatever.
I'll take the trade of some of the additions to the story being shitty for the cool additions with Sauron. Gandalf vs. Sauron was awesome and I can't wait to see Elrond / Saruman / Galadriel / Radaghast go at him.
I also don't mind Peter Jackson taking more freedoms here because it gives me hope that he might consider doing some sort of Simarilion trilogy in the future. Those are the stories I really want to see on the big screen, and Jackson is the only one who would be given the budget and who could pull the actors to do it justice. And for that, or course he'd have to take some more liberties to make movies out of those stories, so by all means practice on the Hobbit. The last movie is undoubtedly going to be the best of these three, looking forward to it.
The Dul Guldur stuff is fine. It at least meshes with the story (Tolkien actually wrote about it, though didn't include it). It makes sense and explains where Gandalf was during his absence AND it shows how Sauron ended up back in Mordor, after being driven out.
And the last Hobbit movie is going to be the shittiest. Because he has to try and tie all these shitty additions together. And he's not going to be able to do it.
Tom Bombadil is the worst character in The Lord of the Rings and the very definition of deus ex machina.
I see it as the George Lucas effect. When a film director gets too famous, the people he works for stops challenging his "vision", and stuff like Jar Jar Binks, Pod races, Tauriel, or script like "Anakin, you're breaking my heart." gets written into movies.
The Hobbit is a short book, and doesn't need to be made into a trilogy. Jackson's just milking the cow dry. I foresee him joining Lucas in the Halls of Shamed Directors soon.
i agree. i actually hated that entire part in that book because it was completely unnecessary and they were with him for like 100 pages. obviously, when you're making a movie, you can't put everything in the book into the movie. also, the part with tom was so fucking boring, why would you want to see it on screen?
What really pisses me off is that The Hobbit was the first real book I ever read on my own. And it's still one of my favorites.
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Unfortunately I don't think that will ever happen. I think the Silmarillion would be better served as a mini-series, but as long as the Tolkien estate continues to hold the rights to it, I don't ever see it happening (especially by Peter Jackson).
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A Silmarillian mini-series would be bloody fantastic. Could be, I guess I should say. It could also be monumentally messed up. But, if done well, there's a lot of potential there.
same. the hobbit is the book that jumpstarted my love of reading. it was the first novel i ever read, and still one of my favorites. what peter jackson is doing to this work is criminal.
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Just watched Desolation:
It was long, boring, drawn out, and at the end left you wanting closure.
Irks:
I dislike that they send in a hobbit to burglar because Smaug won't know hobbit scent, even though Smaug's smelling and hearing abilities are so keen that he almost detects Bilbo while invis - keen enough to detect 2nd hand dwarf smell - yet when all dwarves come in, Smaug doesn't find them immediately and towers over them in search like a cartoon dog missing a varmint.
Smaug is on Bilbo's ass in chase having him barely get away, then Bilbo encounters dwarf-Arragorn, whom acts all Boromir, wasting time until Bilbo reminds the movie a dragon is chasing them, which is now at the far end of the room charging his away towards them.
Slapstick fighting
Orcs create no sense of danger: There are tons of them, they are big and muscly and smelly and ugly - yet every character can take on 6 their number easy.
Good:
The eye was cool; I felt the design odd in the Fellowship trilogy and this version in Desolation made sense.
Gandalf fight
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Was the female elf. Forgot all about Kate. She would make a good Wonder Woman perhaps.
It was long, boring, drawn out, and at the end left you wanting closure.
Irks:
I dislike that they send in a hobbit to burglar because Smaug won't know hobbit scent, even though Smaug's smelling and hearing abilities are so keen that he almost detects Bilbo while invis - keen enough to detect 2nd hand dwarf smell - yet when all dwarves come in, Smaug doesn't find them immediately and towers over them in search like a cartoon dog missing a varmint.
Smaug is on Bilbo's ass in chase having him barely get away, then Bilbo encounters dwarf-Arragorn, whom acts all Boromir, wasting time until Bilbo reminds the movie a dragon is chasing them, which is now at the far end of the room charging his away towards them.
Slapstick fighting
Orcs create no sense of danger: There are tons of them, they are big and muscly and smelly and ugly - yet every character can take on 6 their number easy.
Good:
The eye was cool; I felt the design odd in the Fellowship trilogy and this version in Desolation made sense.
Gandalf fight
Kate from Lost
Was the female elf. Forgot all about Kate. She would make a good Wonder Woman perhaps.
actually, from what i can recall, smaug doesn't know hobbit scent because he has never encountered a hobbit before, and that's why he doesn't know who or what bilbo baggins is. if i remember correctly, that's why they send bilbo in, and bilbo starts giving smaug all of his titles like "barrel rider" and "the spider stinger" and the "ring winner." smaug then believes that the men from lake town sent bilbo and not the dwarves, and that's why he takes off to destroy the town.
Smaug never actually claims to know where Bilbo is. Bilbo keeps the ring on the entire time. He smells him and smells the dwarves and ponies on him, but can't pinpoint him. The doorway that leads up to the hidden door has always troubled him, however. So when he does attack, he makes the (correct) assumption that Bilbo came from there.
The reason Tolkien gave that Bilbo never got corrupted was that Sauron wasn't at full strength and couldn't work through the ring. So Bilbo was able to more-or-less use the ring freely.
