The Marvels (2023)

Cybsled · Nov 4, 2023

Haus said:
I think the biggest thing said in the last few pages of this thread are that the super hero movie genre as a whole has gotten to the point that not only are they producing crap, they're producing such forgettable crap that many of us have forgotten the crap (i.e. Shang-chi, Eternals, etc...)

In some ways, the success of GotG sort of set this up. At the time, GotG was probably the most obscure comic to film of the modern superhero film era. People had low expectations and thought it would be a bomb. It ended up being wildly successful, mostly in part due to the cast, the writing, and director making a pretty fun "misfit anti-hero" film in the vein of Farscape (Gunn literally made the cast watch Farscape to understand the vibe he was going for).

So GotG ripped off the "obscure comics can't be successful" bandaid and opened the flood gates. Problem is most of the following "obscure comic" films lacked one or more of those elements that helped make GotG successful in spite of its lesser known origins, which in turn diluted the field and accelerated fatigue. Kind of like 3D post Avatar - Avatar did 3D right, and then it was followed by dozens of movies that did 3D wrong.

Chris · Nov 4, 2023

The issues in this order were:

1) They adapted modern woke comics with diversity hire writers/directors.

2) They stopped connecting movies or they hint at things that won't happen for a long long time which is basically the same thing.

3) They focused less on their star actors and characters.

The last Spiderman movie avoided all of these so it was great.

Gavinmad · Nov 4, 2023

Chris said:
The last Spiderman movie avoided all of these so it was great.

Aside from yellowwashing Ned, brownwashing Flash, and "black"washing Mary Jane? Yeah nothing woke about Spiderman at all.

Animosity · Nov 4, 2023

Gavinmad said:
Aside from yellowwashing Ned, brownwashing Flash, and "black"washing Mary Jane? Yeah nothing woke about Spiderman at all.

Flash going from like a joke bully to some weeb wannabe bully almost triggers me more than taking away my redhead MJ.

Chris · Nov 4, 2023

Gavinmad said:
Aside from yellowwashing Ned, brownwashing Flash, and "black"washing Mary Jane? Yeah nothing woke about Spiderman at all.

It's not part of the story and two of those characters are jokes anyway. Yeah it would have been better with a redhead white MJ.

It was tainted by but not ruined by SJW stuff.

Harshaw · Nov 4, 2023

Animosity said:
Flash going from like a joke bully to some weeb wannabe bully almost triggers me more than taking away my redhead MJ.

At least we don't have to worry about Agent Venom becoming a thing with wimpy Flash.

Kyougou · Nov 4, 2023

The major issue with the woke stuff is that its always the main concern, almost like once they do it

Animosity said:
Flash going from like a joke bully to some weeb wannabe bully almost triggers me more than taking away my redhead MJ.

My hope is that if they don't nuke the whole of the MCU we are getting proper redhead MJ.

Chukzombi · Nov 4, 2023

No Way Home wasnt perfect, but still better than anything after Endgame.

Harshaw · Nov 4, 2023

Kyougou said:
The major issue with the woke stuff is that its always the main concern, almost like once they do it

My hope is that if they don't nuke the whole of the MCU we are getting proper redhead MJ.

You risk losing Holland if you ditch Zendaya. You know the two are a couple right?

Chukzombi · Nov 4, 2023

Harshaw said:
You risk losing Holland if you ditch Zendaya. You know the two are a couple right?

Holland can be replaced. he was at his best when he was playing off Tony Stark. without Tony, he seemed pretty empty without his mentor to guide him. i'm talking about his Spidey.

Gavinmad · Nov 4, 2023

Chris said:
It was tainted by but not ruined by SJW stuff.

Yeah I'm sure that people tolerating the "petty" stuff had nothing to do with leftist trash feeling emboldened enough to start pushing culture war bullshit even harder. It's like saying a crack in a dam is no big deal because only a little water can leak through.

Chris · Nov 4, 2023

Gavinmad said:
Yeah I'm sure that people tolerating the "petty" stuff had nothing to do with leftist trash feeling emboldened enough to start pushing culture war bullshit even harder. It's like saying a crack in a dam is no big deal because only a little water can leak through.

Yeah if a dam has a crack in it, it's much better than a collapsed dam but not as good as a flawless dam.

Kyougou · Nov 4, 2023

Harshaw said:
You risk losing Holland if you ditch Zendaya. You know the two are a couple right?

But does Zendaya really want to play whatever her character could ever amount to?
She was given a proper write out, maybe she takes it and is happy for it and Tom Holland goes on being spidey for a while.
On the other hand I can see them rebooting the whole thing entirely with all these rumors of bringing old people back for secret wars.

Harshaw · Nov 4, 2023

Kyougou said:
But does Zendaya really want to play whatever her character could ever amount to?
She was given a proper write out, maybe she takes it and is happy for it and Tom Holland goes on being spidey for a while.
On the other hand I can see them rebooting the whole thing entirely with all these rumors of bringing old people back for secret wars.

Supposedly there were talks about both Garfield and Maguire possibly having movies. That has kind of fizzled out though, it was mainly after the nostalgia bomb of the last movie.

Pretty sure Zendaya already signed on for 3 more movies around the time Holland signed for 5. If she is the "true" MJ then there is so much more story they could milk out of that. Maybe a wedding at the end of the next trilogy.

Kyougou · Nov 4, 2023

Harshaw said:
Supposedly there were talks about both Garfield and Maguire possibly having movies. That has kind of fizzled out though, it was mainly after the nostalgia bomb of the last movie.

Pretty sure Zendaya already signed on for 3 more movies around the time Holland signed for 5. If she is the "true" MJ then there is so much more story they could milk out of that. Maybe a wedding at the end of the next trilogy.

The window for more Garfield and Maguire movies is a bit small, yeah.
But even if we got more movies they would be Sony movies and its hard to imagine they would be any good.

Had no idea Zendaya was signed for more stuff, I was happy we were getting a reset into the plain old friendly neighborhood spider man, that sucks.
I was already imagining no more stark tech, proper MJ, maybe even harry if done right and we already had a little bit of an in into the venom symbiote. Even though I would prefer that he got it from secret wars like he did way back in the day.

Harshaw · Nov 4, 2023

Kyougou said:
The window for more Garfield and Maguire movies is a bit small, yeah.
But even if we got more movies they would be Sony movies and its hard to imagine they would be any good.

Had no idea Zendaya was signed for more stuff, I was happy we were getting a reset into the plain old friendly neighborhood spider man, that sucks.
I was already imagining no more stark tech, proper MJ, maybe even harry if done right and we already had a little bit of an in into the venom symbiote. Even though I would prefer that he got it from secret wars like he did way back in the day.

Pretty sure the dude that plays Ned is signed too. So that would be the 3 main actors at least.

Xarpolis · Nov 5, 2023

spronk said:
i have a sister in law whose one of those women-held-down-by-patriarchy-women-get-it-done etc tards and she keeps telling everyone she can't wait to see the movie and it'll be bigger than Barbie to prove women can lead the box office, gonna be a fun thanksgiving needling her. "Hey did you hear the budget for the Marvels was $270m? How did it do?"

she threw cranberries at me last time i asked why the WNBA isn't way more popular with women

Your brother is a beta bitch.

Xarpolis · Nov 5, 2023

Gavinmad said:
Yeah I'm sure that people tolerating the "petty" stuff had nothing to do with leftist trash feeling emboldened enough to start pushing culture war bullshit even harder. It's like saying a crack in a dam is no big deal because only a little water can leak through.

I was listening to Rogan's latest Elon Musk podcast yesterday, and it talked a lot about why he purchased Twitter.
He was explaining that a very small section of society (10 square miles) with super super super left mentality were ultimately dictating the rest of society due to shutting down ALL different opinions. That's why he ultimately bought Twitter. It's the largest social network, and their extreme policies about everything they personally disagree with was changing the face of the country and the planet. Joe asked if it was worth the $43 Billion he payed for it, and how much it's worth now. Elon responds that it's worth everything, just to remove the crazy policies from the rest of the world.

Ossoi · Nov 5, 2023

Xarpolis said:
I was listening to Rogan's latest Elon Musk podcast yesterday, and it talked a lot about why he purchased Twitter.
He was explaining that a very small section of society (10 square miles) with super super super left mentality were ultimately dictating the rest of society due to shutting down ALL different opinions. That's why he ultimately bought Twitter. It's the largest social network, and their extreme policies about everything they personally disagree with was changing the face of the country and the planet. Joe asked if it was worth the $43 Billion he payed for it, and how much it's worth now. Elon responds that it's worth everything, just to remove the crazy policies from the rest of the world.

The fact he used the megaphone analogy shows he gets it. I always compared old Twitter to Bart with the daisy chain of megaphones blowing out all the windows in Springfield

Tholan · Nov 6, 2023

The Thor 3 humour was a complete miss to me. I thought the Grandmaster was boring and underwhelming, the hulk part unnecessary and overall it was a boring colorful movie. That was my first contact with a movie made by Waititi and Love and thunder confirmed that I don't like his way of doing movies.

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