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Phazael_sl said:
Unless you want to scrub every fucking router and ISP between you and your point of purchase, it IS inevitable. Unless you want to go all Amish and shun the internet entirely, you are going to have to accept that there is a data trail out there that you have no control over. Honestly I am far more upset at how private enterprise mines this information, rather than the government (though the line between the two has become blurred a lot over time; another topic), but the genie is out of the bottle on this one. That is unless you want to get off the grid and operate only in cash or barter....
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So the NSA's Yottabyte Utah data center currently under construction is "inevitable?" Bullshit. It's the storage that's the problem buddy, the fact that they can go back and see exactly what porn site you were looking at in 2005 and where you were (via cellular location metadata) on 8:36 PM July 4th, 2007.
 
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The best part about all of this is he isn't some hacker or anything. He just walked out the door with a thumb drive is all.
 
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Phazael_sl said:
No, but ultimately most privacy laws have proven to be fruitless. They either get outright ignored (see Nixon, Reagan, Bush 2) or circumvented by legal manipulation or stoking fear in the general populace (Bush 2, Obama, LBJ) to get them approved.
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Well at least its good to know Democrats and Republicans can show bipartisanship on something?
 
hodj

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NYT paywall is inconsistent at best, and a complete joke that rarely works as intended at worst.

If you've viewed over 30 NYT articles this month already, you can't view anymore without paying past the paywall.

But if you find the link routed through another site like Huffpo/Drudge/Whatthefuckever about half the time, it won't count against your 30 article total that month, and about half the time it will.

Completely incomprehensible.
 
Big Phoenix

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FISA requests can be as broad as seeking court approval to ask a company to turn over information about the online activities of people in a certain country. Between 2008 and 2012, only two of 8,591 applications were rejected, according to data gathered by the Electronic Privacy Information Center, a nonprofit research center in Washington. Without obtaining court approval, intelligence agents can then add more specific requests - like names of individuals and additional Internet services to track - every day for a year.

National Security Letters are limited to the name, address, length of service and toll billing records of a service's subscribers.

Because national security requests ban recipients from even acknowledging their existence, it is difficult to know exactly how, and how often, the companies cooperate or resist. Small companies are more likely to take the government to court, lawyers said, because they have fewer government relationships and customers, and fewer disincentives to rock the boat. One of the few known challenges to a National Security Letter, for instance, came from a small Internet provider in New York, the Calyx Internet Access Corporation.
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chaos

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I really wish everyone had been this worked up like 10 years ago when the Patriot Act and all this shit was actually happening rather than getting upset at seeing the results of that.
 
fanaskin

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I wish you would get mad now, never too late to get a good mad on.
 
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Sadly most people lack any sort of foresight and just try to act in the now, 10 years ago I can bet a lot of people thought it was a good idea to help curb terrorism.
 
BoldW

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chaos_sl said:
I really wish everyone had been this worked up like 10 years ago when the Patriot Act and all this shit was actually happening rather than getting upset at seeing the results of that.
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Right there with ya. But most of the country, and pretty much all conservatives, were gung-ho kill terrorists so Bush has no issue with them, carte blanche. The left was not really going after the patriot act (or at least concentrating on it like they should have), just yelling about Iraq=Oil and trying to bring Bush up on war crimes charges, things that in reality would not ever happen.

And if people actually get riled up about it for more than 5 days, it's better to be dealt with now than never or in the future when it has been expanded and by default "accepted" as the norm even more.
 
Big Phoenix

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chaos_sl said:
I really wish everyone had been this worked up like 10 years ago when the Patriot Act and all this shit was actually happening rather than getting upset at seeing the results of that.
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I was mad then, but I was only like 13 or something.
 
Phazael

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chaos_sl said:
I really wish everyone had been this worked up like 10 years ago when the Patriot Act and all this shit was actually happening rather than getting upset at seeing the results of that.
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This is actually how I feel about it. The surveillance state was inevitable, simply as a function of the information age. The time table just got moved up when 9/11 greased the wheels. Now that it is essentially here, the focus needs to be on how it is controlled and administered, because stopping it is frankly unrealistic. A few liberals in the government (Russ Feingold for one) tried to warn people, but got called giant muslim dick sucking pussies when they raised the red flag. I mean, if I had super powers I would love to restore the privacy of the average citizen, but its just not something that is realistically going to happen at this point.

What I am most concerned about is how the surveillance industry has become the new money train for companies to milk the government for money, replacing the military in many ways. I mean, this asshole was a low level contractor with access that should have required a ranking career government post to attain. I am willing to bet there are a shit ton more guys like that out there. A lot of them are probably even moles for large companies or worse, foreign governments, feeding the shit we collect to outside parties. That shit needs to stop immediately and the contracts involved in these projects needs to be made a matter of public record, so we know who is bribing who to get these fat government contracts.
 
chaos

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Phazael_sl said:
What I am most concerned about is how the surveillance industry has become the new money train for companies to milk the government for money, replacing the military in many ways. I mean, this asshole was a low level contractor with access that should have required a ranking career government post to attain. I am willing to bet there are a shit ton more guys like that out there. A lot of them are probably even moles for large companies or worse, foreign governments, feeding the shit we collect to outside parties. That shit needs to stop immediately and the contracts involved in these projects needs to be made a matter of public record, so we know who is bribing who to get these fat government contracts.
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I am also a low level contractor. Sure, I'm in charge of like 15 people, but in the grand scheme of things I am a peon. I have access to all kinds of shit. The information is there, that is why you have the clearance, that is their assurance that you won't be an hero and release it. But I do think that will be part of the fallout from this: further compartmentalization, further restrictions on access, and more burden on the individual. If I have to get a full scope poly because of this motherfucker I'll fly to Hong Kong myself and beat his ass.
 
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Famm_sl said:
But 9-11.
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