The NSA watches you poop.
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So here's the latest psyop spin. Start dropping ideas into the public psyche just to get it out there.
Famed Former CIA Agent Claims Snowden Has Been In Contact With Russia Since 2007
http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/29/fa...ia-since-2007/
Famed Former CIA Agent Claims Snowden Has Been In Contact With Russia Since 2007
http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/29/fa...ia-since-2007/
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We've seen this a lot in politics for a while now, though it does seem to be getting worse. Does Hillary have a Tumor, anyone? Did Glenn Beck rape a child? It's a great way to stir controversy and then apply the "two sides on the argument" principle to it, legitimizing the claim. I'm sure there's a PR name for it.
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well, the NSA killed off Lavabit for good
There will be no more encrypted emailing for you. Encrypted from the NSA, that is.
My Fellow Citizens,
My legal saga started last summer with a knock at the door, behind which stood two federal agents ready to serve me with a court order requiring the installation of surveillance equipment on my company?s network.
My company, Lavabit, provided email services to 410,000 people, and thrived by offering features specifically designed to protect the privacy and security of its customers. I had no choice but to consent to the installation of their device, which would have provided the government with access to all of the messages, for all of my customers, as they travelled to and from other providers on the Internet.
But that wasn?t enough. The federal agents also said their court order required me to surrender the company?s private encryption keys, and I balked. What they claimed to need were customer passwords, which were sent securely, so they could access the plain-text of messages for users taking advantage of my company?s encrypted storage feature. (The government would later claim they only demanded the encryption keys because of my "noncompliance".) I didn?t realize until I retained an attorney that what the agents proposed would have exceeded their authority.
Bothered by what the agents were saying, I informed them I would first need to read the order they had just delivered and then consult with an attorney. The feds seemed surprised by my hesitation.
What ensued was a flurry of legal proceedings that would last 38 days. When the dust settled I found myself the owner of a $10,000 civil contempt fine, my business shut down, and bit by bit, the very principle upon which I founded it ? that we all have a right to personal privacy, slipping quickly away. (To appreciate just how fast the case moved, consider the median timeframe for a similar proceedings was 9.7 months in 2012.)
The government lawyers tried to overwhelm me. In the first two weeks, I was served court orders a total of seven times ? leading to contact with the FBI every other day. (This was the stretch a prosecutor would later characterize as the "long period of silence".) It took a week for me to identify an attorney who could adequately represent me given the complex issues involved ? and we were in contact for less than a day when agents served me with a summons ordering me to appear in a Virginia courtroom (over 1,000 miles from home). Two days later, after admitting their demand to my lawyer, I was served a subpoena for the encryption keys ? also marking the first time they put their demand in writing.
With such short notice, my first attorney was unable to appear alongside me in court. Because the whole case was under seal, I couldn't admit to anyone who wasn't a lawyer that I needed help, let alone why. In the days before my appearance I would spend hours repeating the facts of the case to a dozen attorneys, as I sought someone else that was qualified to represent me. I also discovered that as a third party in a federal criminal indictment, I had no right to counsel. Thus my pleas for more time were denied. After all, only my property was in jeopardy ? not my liberty. My right to a ?fair hearing? was treated as a nuisance, easily trampled by a team of determined prosecutors. In the end, I was forced to choose between appearing alone, or face a bench warrant for my arrest.
When I appeared in Virginia, the government replaced their subpoena for the encryption key with a search warrant and a new court date. I retained a small local law firm before returning home, and they took on the task of assembling a legal strategy and filing briefs in the few short days available. The court barred them from consulting outside experts, making it difficult to understand the complex legal and technological issues involved. Even a request to discuss the case with members of Congress was denied. To make matters worse, the court wouldn?t deliver transcripts for my first appearance for another two months. My legal team was forced to proceed without access to information they needed.
Then, a federal judge entered an order of contempt against me ? without even a hearing. Let me be clear. I did not devoted 10 years of my life to building Lavabit, with its focus on privacy, only to become complicit in a plan which would have meant the wholesale violation of my customers? right to privacy. Thus with my options in court exhausted, the decision was easy. I had to shut down my service. Placing my faith in the integrity of the appeals process.
When the judge granted the contempt charge unopposed ? ignoring my attorney?s request to dispute the government?s claims ? he created a loophole. I was never given an opportunity to object, let alone provide a meaningful defense. An important point, since the contempt charge endorsed new legal claims ? reversing what the court had previously indicated. Without an objection on the record, the appellate court would rule that my right to an appeal had been waived ? since the charges hadn?t been disputed in district court. Given the Supreme Court?s tradition of declining to review cases decided on procedural grounds, I will likely be denied justice, forever.
The most important question raised by my appeal was what constitutes a "search," i.e., whether law enforcement may demand the encryption keys of a business and use those keys to inspect the private communications of every customer, when they are only authorized to access information belonging to a select few.
The problem here is technological: until a communication has been decrypted and the contents parsed, it is impossible for a surveillance device to determine which network connections belong to the targeted accounts. The government argued that since the "inspection" would be carried out by a machine, they were exempt from the normal search-and-seizure protections of the fourth amendment.
More importantly, the prosecution argued the exemption was because my users had no expectation of privacy, even though the encryption they were trying to break was created specifically to ensure a users' privacy.
If my experience serves any purpose, it is to illustrate what most already know: our courts must not be allowed to consider matters of great importance in secret, lest we find ourselves summarily deprived of meaningful due process. If we allow our government to continue operating in secret, it is only a matter of time before you or a loved one find yourself in a position like I was ? standing in a secret courtroom, alone, and without any of the unalienable rights that are supposed to protect us from an abuse of the state?s authority.
Sincerely,
Ladar Levison
Owner and Operator, Lavabit LLC
With my fight in court all but lost, I am focusing my attention on a technical fix. Help me put control over who reads your email back into your hands. Donate to the Lavabit Dark Mail Development Initiative today. Because keeping your business your business is our business.
My legal saga started last summer with a knock at the door, behind which stood two federal agents ready to serve me with a court order requiring the installation of surveillance equipment on my company?s network.
My company, Lavabit, provided email services to 410,000 people, and thrived by offering features specifically designed to protect the privacy and security of its customers. I had no choice but to consent to the installation of their device, which would have provided the government with access to all of the messages, for all of my customers, as they travelled to and from other providers on the Internet.
But that wasn?t enough. The federal agents also said their court order required me to surrender the company?s private encryption keys, and I balked. What they claimed to need were customer passwords, which were sent securely, so they could access the plain-text of messages for users taking advantage of my company?s encrypted storage feature. (The government would later claim they only demanded the encryption keys because of my "noncompliance".) I didn?t realize until I retained an attorney that what the agents proposed would have exceeded their authority.
Bothered by what the agents were saying, I informed them I would first need to read the order they had just delivered and then consult with an attorney. The feds seemed surprised by my hesitation.
What ensued was a flurry of legal proceedings that would last 38 days. When the dust settled I found myself the owner of a $10,000 civil contempt fine, my business shut down, and bit by bit, the very principle upon which I founded it ? that we all have a right to personal privacy, slipping quickly away. (To appreciate just how fast the case moved, consider the median timeframe for a similar proceedings was 9.7 months in 2012.)
The government lawyers tried to overwhelm me. In the first two weeks, I was served court orders a total of seven times ? leading to contact with the FBI every other day. (This was the stretch a prosecutor would later characterize as the "long period of silence".) It took a week for me to identify an attorney who could adequately represent me given the complex issues involved ? and we were in contact for less than a day when agents served me with a summons ordering me to appear in a Virginia courtroom (over 1,000 miles from home). Two days later, after admitting their demand to my lawyer, I was served a subpoena for the encryption keys ? also marking the first time they put their demand in writing.
With such short notice, my first attorney was unable to appear alongside me in court. Because the whole case was under seal, I couldn't admit to anyone who wasn't a lawyer that I needed help, let alone why. In the days before my appearance I would spend hours repeating the facts of the case to a dozen attorneys, as I sought someone else that was qualified to represent me. I also discovered that as a third party in a federal criminal indictment, I had no right to counsel. Thus my pleas for more time were denied. After all, only my property was in jeopardy ? not my liberty. My right to a ?fair hearing? was treated as a nuisance, easily trampled by a team of determined prosecutors. In the end, I was forced to choose between appearing alone, or face a bench warrant for my arrest.
When I appeared in Virginia, the government replaced their subpoena for the encryption key with a search warrant and a new court date. I retained a small local law firm before returning home, and they took on the task of assembling a legal strategy and filing briefs in the few short days available. The court barred them from consulting outside experts, making it difficult to understand the complex legal and technological issues involved. Even a request to discuss the case with members of Congress was denied. To make matters worse, the court wouldn?t deliver transcripts for my first appearance for another two months. My legal team was forced to proceed without access to information they needed.
Then, a federal judge entered an order of contempt against me ? without even a hearing. Let me be clear. I did not devoted 10 years of my life to building Lavabit, with its focus on privacy, only to become complicit in a plan which would have meant the wholesale violation of my customers? right to privacy. Thus with my options in court exhausted, the decision was easy. I had to shut down my service. Placing my faith in the integrity of the appeals process.
When the judge granted the contempt charge unopposed ? ignoring my attorney?s request to dispute the government?s claims ? he created a loophole. I was never given an opportunity to object, let alone provide a meaningful defense. An important point, since the contempt charge endorsed new legal claims ? reversing what the court had previously indicated. Without an objection on the record, the appellate court would rule that my right to an appeal had been waived ? since the charges hadn?t been disputed in district court. Given the Supreme Court?s tradition of declining to review cases decided on procedural grounds, I will likely be denied justice, forever.
The most important question raised by my appeal was what constitutes a "search," i.e., whether law enforcement may demand the encryption keys of a business and use those keys to inspect the private communications of every customer, when they are only authorized to access information belonging to a select few.
The problem here is technological: until a communication has been decrypted and the contents parsed, it is impossible for a surveillance device to determine which network connections belong to the targeted accounts. The government argued that since the "inspection" would be carried out by a machine, they were exempt from the normal search-and-seizure protections of the fourth amendment.
More importantly, the prosecution argued the exemption was because my users had no expectation of privacy, even though the encryption they were trying to break was created specifically to ensure a users' privacy.
If my experience serves any purpose, it is to illustrate what most already know: our courts must not be allowed to consider matters of great importance in secret, lest we find ourselves summarily deprived of meaningful due process. If we allow our government to continue operating in secret, it is only a matter of time before you or a loved one find yourself in a position like I was ? standing in a secret courtroom, alone, and without any of the unalienable rights that are supposed to protect us from an abuse of the state?s authority.
Sincerely,
Ladar Levison
Owner and Operator, Lavabit LLC
With my fight in court all but lost, I am focusing my attention on a technical fix. Help me put control over who reads your email back into your hands. Donate to the Lavabit Dark Mail Development Initiative today. Because keeping your business your business is our business.
There will be no more encrypted emailing for you. Encrypted from the NSA, that is.
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General Antony
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Lovely how no one even comments on this. It's just assumed that this is the way that our government does business with its citizens.
These people should be facing death everyday from an enraged populace, but they're all too busy streaming porn on their iPads.
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... and yet claim they need all that firearms to protect themselfs from the redskirts and other oppressive gubbernments.
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When you read that letter do you see the legitimate and justified actions of a government formed under liberty and pursuant to the Constitution that our forebears fought a revolution to create?
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I think the elephant in the room that no one seems to be discussing is what are the possibilities that senior people in congress, the judiciary, and/or in the military have been compromised through blackmail from the targeted spying that they are doing? I know that this goes into an area that many people will want to label as "tin foil hat" territory but I think its something that needs to be considered.
Former NSA whistle blowers beleive it almost a 100% guarantee that this has happened:
Former NSA whistle blowers beleive it almost a 100% guarantee that this has happened: