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fanaskin

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Interesting interplay between section 215 and this executive order

Meet Executive Order 12333: The Reagan rule that lets the NSA spy on Americans - The Washington Post

Unlike Section 215, the executive order authorizes collection of the content of communications, not just metadata, even for U.S. persons. Such persons cannot be individually targeted under 12333 without a court order. However, if the contents of a U.S. person's communications are "incidentally" collected (an NSA term of art) in the course of a lawful overseas foreign intelligence investigation, then Section 2.3(c) of the executive order explicitly authorizes their retention. It does not require that the affected U.S. persons be suspected of wrongdoing and places no limits on the volume of communications by U.S. persons that may be collected and retained.

"Incidental" collection may sound insignificant, but it is a legal loophole that can be stretched very wide. Remember that the NSA is building a data center in Utah five times the size of the U.S. Capitol building, with its own power plant that will reportedly burn $40 million a year in electricity.
in context to bulk collection authorized in a blanket warrant as keith alexander said in response to questioning over section 215, "you need the haystack to find the needle." combined with this executive order it allows for the collection and retention of content, not just metadata without individual warrants.
 

Malakriss

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Play EVE online, get involved in counter intel for a sovereignty holding alliance and then you'll understand the haystack and needle argument. Wouldn't be surprised of most of the veterans get hired into the corporate espionage business on a regular basis.
 

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NSA Tried To Delete Court Transcript In Lawsuit Over Deleting Evidence - Yahoo News

Following a recent hearing in the ongoing Jewel v. NSA case, in which the Electronic Frontier Foundation is challenging NSA's ability to surveil foreign citizen's U.S.-based email and social media accounts, the government informed U.S. District Court Judge Jeffrey White it believed one of its attorneys mistakenly revealed classified information.

The government then requested that the select portion of the hearing's public transcript be secretly deleted without alerting the public to the alteration. According to the EFF, the open courtroom case - which has been steadily picking up media coverage following NSA leaker Edward Snowden's bulk surveillance revelations - was "widely covered by the press" and "even on the local TV news on two stations."

"We rightly considered this an outrageous request and vigorously opposed it," senior staff attorney for the EFF David Greene said in a statement. "The public has a First Amendment right not only to attend the hearing but to have an accurate transcript of it. Moreover, the federal law governing court reporting requires that 'each session of the court' be 'recorded verbatim' and that the transcript be certified by the court reporter as 'a correct statement of the testimony taken and the proceedings had.'"

The government made no attempt to close the courtroom prior to the hearing, and one week after, sent a letter to Judge White asking to review the transcript, and at the request of NSA, delete any part of the transcript revealing information the signals intelligence agency deemed classified without alerting the public, plaintiffs, or their lawyers.

Judge White disregarded the government's request for secrecy and sent a letter to the plaintiffs' attorneys the next day notifying them of the government's attempt, and offered them a chance to respond.

"We asked Judge White to reject the government's request in full arguing that the government could not meet the strong First Amendment test to prove that its revisions to the transcript were 'essential to preserve higher values and narrowly tailored to serve that interest,' Greene wrote. "We also argued that under no circumstances should the government be able to 'remove' anything from the transcript without indicating that something has in fact been removed, a process commonly called 'redaction,' not 'removal,' the term used in the government's request. We also asked the court to unseal all of the papers that had been filed about this dispute."
 

Malakriss

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Which thread had the headline title sensationalism discussion? That one is right up there with other misleading stuff, cause it sounds a whole lot better if they hacked in and tried to delete the interwebz instead of, you know, asking a judge.
 

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How do you guys feel about Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution?

"The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."

Been in there for over 200 years. Lincoln was the only one to use it. Pretty much dwarfs anything else don't you think?
 

Agraza

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Not sure what you want us to discuss. It's a big deal, and it was only used during our one civil war, which is a given reason it can be used. What's the problem?
 

Dipstick_sl

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Not sure what you want us to discuss. It's a big deal, and it was only used during our one civil war, which is a given reason it can be used. What's the problem?
All these new NSA, Patriot laws are trivial compared to Article 9, Section 1. With a majority vote, Congress can lock you away forever.