Guardian released the second part of the Snowden interview.http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/vide...ideo-interview
The NSA watches you poop.
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I don't want to live in a world filled with assholes, but thats not in the cards either Snowden. The gov provides the highway, the gov monitors the highway. Why would you expect the internet to be any different?
fanaskin
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You say that now in retrospect, but in a very real way the majority of people just didn't question any of these concepts or the idea they where being monitored just didn't enter the conciousness of most people. that has to be taken into account, millions of people agreed to be monitored by private companies that if it was pen and paper they wouldn't have done, there is just some kind of disconnect that wasn't there for most people. now that the private companies started keeping these massive databases the government wants their hands on that information.
notice the steps, the private corporations compiled these gigantic databases of information from a public I would say was very innocent and that was naive about things like eula's that nobody read. then later the government came by and went after that information.
Another way to phrase what happened in retrospect is people signed their rights away en mass to private companies then the government went after that private data. It kinda acted like a bait and switch.
notice the steps, the private corporations compiled these gigantic databases of information from a public I would say was very innocent and that was naive about things like eula's that nobody read. then later the government came by and went after that information.
Another way to phrase what happened in retrospect is people signed their rights away en mass to private companies then the government went after that private data. It kinda acted like a bait and switch.
tad10
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And people like you are why we can't have nice things.
Your tax money, and my tax money goes to the government where our elected representatives appropriate that money to building a highway. The internet was 99% funded by private enterprise, sure DARPA did some initial funding but that's nothing compared to infrastructure paid for by AT&T, Sprint & etc.
And, in any case, even if the taxpayer funded "Government" had paid for every inch of fiber we living in a fucking representative democracy (at least I thought we did) where we have rights limiting the powers of government guarenteed by a Constitution. Including the right to unreasonable searches and seizures.
Finally, our government is ideally of the people and for the people - nowhere does it say the government can spy on the people.
I didn't say it was right. I said it should be expected.
Good thing Snowden made the choice for all of us by exposing it. If he was so unhappy about being recorded he could have commited suicide. But no, he'd rather potentially ruin the govt by exposing their wrong doings. Look I understand the NSA is in the wrong, but its clear Snowden did not weigh the consequences of his actions just like the NSA when they started this crap.
Kinda like in Man of Steel when Lois' editor didn't want her to run her story because of the potential impact it could have on people.
Sure, its dramatic. Something less dramatic. The french get pissed at us and stop exporting goods and the price of Brie cheese goes up to $100 a wedge. I will fucking lose it if that happens, man.
chaos
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Yeah, I imagine he is pretty disappointed in the reaction this is getting from the population at large.
Its way above non-technical people's heads. Jerry springer needs to transcribe it for the average Joe.
tad10
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You took an internet away from me and you dont even have a clue about how the telecoms are funded? Man, gimmie my internets back.
IDK man, even as kids we kinda figured it was monitored and played games typing things like "bomb" in our messages to be annoying to any would be monitors.
tad10
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Oh no, my megahurtz, they've been stoleded!!! I'm paranoid enough to run a virus scan now, thanks bro. Although WoW isn't really a trojan because I allow it to scan my ram for anything when i hit accept on the TOS.
Yeah whatever. Just like Manning's leaks were supposed to get people killed, and then it didn't happen.
There is no way to whistleblow with zero collateral damage. I would argue the positives far outweigh the negatives in both Manning's and Snowden's cases, but either way it's nearly impossible to really quantify the good and the bad, so you'll have the authoritarians who hate them, and the anti-authoritarians who love them.
I do find it disgustingly hypocritical however when the same people who argue that bombing children and weddings is acceptable collateral damage in the 'war' against an enemy that is zero threat to our sovereignty also make the argument that any collateral damage from the result of blowing the whistle on government wrongdoing makes it unacceptable.
I'm not making that argument, though, so leave that baggage at the door. He has no idea what the reaction or consequences are until he sets it in motion. He made the decision for us, much like the NSA did with their programs.
If I were in Snowdens shoes, I would have kept my trap shut. If the American public couldn't make anything happen from the bank scandals, what the fuck will spying on the population provoke out of the public? I'm willing to wager money>privacy.
Snowden's revelations will do the following:
1) Slow the expansion of the surveillance state with the worry about it being exposed ever more present and by allowing Intelligence Committee senators to bring up the subject in more detail publicly
2) Hopefully remove the supreme court's excuse that there is no proof that the surveillance is occurring and therefore will have to allow the cases against the programs to proceed
3) Make the traitors involved in the domestic spying more suspicious and less trusting of themselves
4) Allows regular people to opt-out of the spying by abstaining from facebook, google, etc. by either not using them or by using proxies now that they know they are being monitored
zombiewizardhawk
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Or it proves that the majority of people care more about issues other than whether their internet is being monitored (surprisingly, most people don't use the internet for terrorism/CP/piracy/trannies/other illegal activities).