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Torrid

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I find it astonishing how terrified this nation is, to be so afraid of such non-threats like terrorism and hacking. We give up privacy, give up liberties, spend trillions, send thousands of soldiers to die to supposedly protect ourselves from a threat that kills less people per year than lightning strikes. And now Obama wants an internet kill switch because hackers are the new boogeymen; stuxnet-- our own weapon-- being used as proof of the threat.

Just another reason why I wish ad-hoc wireless mesh network communities would take off.
 
BoldW

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Gavinrad_sl said:
Here's a link to the actual executive order being talked about

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...RJrreM.twitter

and this is the section that people are saying means that they can shut down all US communication.




My problem is that it's so vaguely worded that it's not unreasonable for people to interpret as meaning you can effectively shut down private communication resources at will by declaring an emergency.
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And the government has never interpreted vague or ambiguous laws before
 
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W4RH34D_sl

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Haha Snowden got upstaged by Zimmerman. Riots over a court case.... Not the government potentially disregarding the constitution.

Whose worse, the govt or its own people?
 
tad10

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W4RH34D_sl said:
Haha Snowden got upstaged by Zimmerman. Riots over a court case.... Not the government potentially disregarding the constitution.

Whose worse, the govt or its own people?
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We've got the government we deserve. Compare Brazil's protest over ticket increases to almost no protests over the creation of a police state. Time to just buy a ranch in South Dakota and get off the grid as much as you can.
 
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tad10_sl said:
We've got the government we deserve. Compare Brazil's protest over ticket increases to almost no protests over the creation of a police state. Time to just buy a ranch in South Dakota and get off the grid as much as you can.
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I don't feel like I personally deserve my rights infringed as I obey because it is for the greater good. But these people, I could give a fuck less if the government steps on them, look at how they act.
 
Quineloe

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So the PRISM thing prevented 45 terrorist acts since 2005.

45. That's a lot, right? Until you realize, what exactly constitues a terrorist act.

These are the terrorists acts from every year until 2011, taken from the NSA's yearly reports.



2011:
10 283 terrorist attacks causing 12 533 deaths

2010:
11 604 terrorist attacks causing 13 186 deaths

2009:
10 999 terrorist attacks causing 14 971 deaths

2008:
11 770 terrorist attacks causing 15 765 deaths

2007:
14 499 terrorist attacks causing 22 685 deaths

2006:
11 153 terrorist attacks causing 14 618 deaths

2005:
11 111 terrorist attacks causing 14 602 deaths

So what we are looking at is 45 terrorists attacks out of 81 419 prevented.

We're trading a tiny bit of security for a massive loss of privacy. Great deal, right?
 
Hekotat

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Quineloe_sl said:
So the PRISM thing prevented 45 terrorist acts since 2005.

45. That's a lot, right? Until you realize, what exactly constitues a terrorist act.

These are the terrorists acts from every year until 2011, taken from the NSA's yearly reports.



2011:
10 283 terrorist attacks causing 12 533 deaths

2010:
11 604 terrorist attacks causing 13 186 deaths

2009:
10 999 terrorist attacks causing 14 971 deaths

2008:
11 770 terrorist attacks causing 15 765 deaths

2007:
14 499 terrorist attacks causing 22 685 deaths

2006:
11 153 terrorist attacks causing 14 618 deaths

2005:
11 111 terrorist attacks causing 14 602 deaths

So what we are looking at is 45 terrorists attacks out of 81 419 prevented.

We're trading a tiny bit of security for a massive loss of privacy. Great deal, right?
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Can I get a link for these numbers, I'd like to present this to my friends that I debate with.
 
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/gr...lueprint-1.php

RIO DE JANEIRO (AP) - Edward Snowden has very sensitive "blueprints" detailing how the National Security Agency operates that would allow someone who read them to evade or even duplicate NSA surveillance, a journalist close to the intelligence leaker said Sunday.

Glenn Greenwald, a columnist with The Guardian newspaper who closely communicates with Snowden and first reported on his intelligence leaks, told The Associated Press that the former NSA systems analyst has "literally thousands of documents" that constitute "basically the instruction manual for how the NSA is built."

"In order to take documents with him that proved that what he was saying was true he had to take ones that included very sensitive, detailed blueprints of how the NSA does what they do," Greenwald said in Brazil, adding that the interview was taking place about four hours after his last interaction with Snowden.
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Tanoomba

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I think Barack Obama receiving the Nobel peace Prize took any respect I've ever had for the title away. Makes no difference who gets it from now on, it has lost its ability to mean anything.
 
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