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Since he's been in Moscow...

The Guardian published a NSA inspector general report on email and internet data collection under Stellar Wind
The Guardian published Justice Department and NSA memos
Documents given to Der Spiegel revealed the NSA bugging Washington offices of the European Union, and Germany's 'central role' in the NSA's global surveillance network
Documents given to the Brazil paper O Globo revealed that the United States has been collecting data on telephone calls and e-mails from several countries in Latin America, including important allies such as Brazil, Colombia and Mexico.
The Guardian published a story detailing Microsoft's bending over backwards for the NSA and what kind of access PRISM has to MS services

Just because the American media isn't covering his leaks, doesn't mean they aren't happening.

Snowden is applying for temporary asylum in Russia until he can make arrangements to reach Latin America. I imagine he would resume leaking after he manages to escape Russia, or maybe he is done.
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Although, I wonder if he'll actually get to Latin America or will Uncle Sugar bribe Putin with an endless supply of Levis, Spam and potato vodka for Snowden's extraordinary rendition back home.
 

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Although, I wonder if he'll actually get to Latin America or will Uncle Sugar bribe Putin with an endless supply of Levis, Spam and potato vodka for Snowden's extraordinary rendition back home.
I'd be really surprised if putin caved on this. The one thing he cares about more than anything- his country, money, ect - is his image. Doing that would forever shatter his image over there into a guy that bent over for the Americans when they asked. Not saying he'll treat snowden good, thats entirely up in the air, but he WILL make sure he has nothing to do with Uncle getting him.
 

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I'd be really surprised if putin caved on this. The one thing he cares about more than anything- his country, money, ect - is his image. Doing that would forever shatter his image over there into a guy that bent over for the Americans when they asked. Not saying he'll treat snowden good, thats entirely up in the air, but he WILL make sure he has nothing to do with Uncle getting him.
Yeah, we'll see.

I agree but sneaky fucking Russians.
 

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http://www.businessinsider.com/deep-...privacy-2013-7

How awesome does PRISM really need to be when you have people putting their whole lives out there in the digital domain?
Its a Trojan horse to get people to give permission for the Gov to enhance their legal meta data with the personal private information someone has made public and therefore legal to be copied and stored. They needed consent. This is how they get it.
 

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put some sugar around that pill it makes it easier to swallow.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...aps/?tag=socsh
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But as the number of law enforcement requests for data grew and carriers upgraded their technology, the cost of accommodating government surveillance requests increased. AT&T,for example, said it devotes roughly 100 employees to review each request and hand over data. Likewise, Verizon said its team of 70 employees works around the clock, seven days a week to handle the quarter-million requests it gets each year.

To discourage gratuitous requests and to prevent losing money, industry turned to a section of federal law that allows companies to be reimbursed for the cost of "searching for, assembling, reproducing and otherwise providing" communications content or records on behalf of the government. The costs must be "reasonably necessary" and "mutually agreed" upon with the government.

From there, phone companies developed detailed fee schedules and began billing law enforcement much as they do customers. In its letter to Markey, AT&T estimated that it collected $24 million in government reimbursements between 2007 and 2011. Verizon, which had the highest fees but says it doesn't charge in every case, reported a similar amount, collecting between $3 million and $5 million a year during the same period.

Verizon's 2012 letter to Markey states: "We do not sell [our] customers' personal information to law enforcement. Rather, we comply with legal process requiring us to provide specific information... In those circumstances where we do charge law enforcement, we do so in accordance with law and seek reimbursement for only a portion of our reasonable expenses."

Companies also began to automate their systems to make it easier.The ACLU's Soghoian found in 2009 that Sprint had created a website allowing law enforcement to track the location data of its wireless customers for only $30 a month to accommodate the approximately 8 million requests it received in one year.
 

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put some sugar around that pill it makes it easier to swallow.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...aps/?tag=socsh
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But as the number of law enforcement requests for data grew and carriers upgraded their technology, the cost of accommodating government surveillance requests increased. AT&T,for example, said it devotes roughly 100 employees to review each request and hand over data. Likewise, Verizon said its team of 70 employees works around the clock, seven days a week to handle the quarter-million requests it gets each year.

To discourage gratuitous requests and to prevent losing money, industry turned to a section of federal law that allows companies to be reimbursed for the cost of "searching for, assembling, reproducing and otherwise providing" communications content or records on behalf of the government. The costs must be "reasonably necessary" and "mutually agreed" upon with the government.

From there, phone companies developed detailed fee schedules and began billing law enforcement much as they do customers. In its letter to Markey, AT&T estimated that it collected $24 million in government reimbursements between 2007 and 2011. Verizon, which had the highest fees but says it doesn't charge in every case, reported a similar amount, collecting between $3 million and $5 million a year during the same period.

Verizon's 2012 letter to Markey states: "We do not sell [our] customers' personal information to law enforcement. Rather, we comply with legal process requiring us to provide specific information... In those circumstances where we do charge law enforcement, we do so in accordance with law and seek reimbursement for only a portion of our reasonable expenses."

Companies also began to automate their systems to make it easier.The ACLU's Soghoian found in 2009 that Sprint had created a website allowing law enforcement to track the location data of its wireless customers for only $30 a month to accommodate the approximately 8 million requests it received in one year.
Come on guys tens of millions of wiretaps(probably hundreds of millions when all added up from all the companies that are tapped by PRISM) is purely used and only used in accordance with the very strict guidelines and oversight set forth by the invisible and uncountable court system. No abuse could possibly result from that!
 

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I need to find a clip from the Judiciary hearing yesterday where a committee member asked "Did you really think you could keep these programs secret from Americans indefinitely?" And the Security guy smiles, answers, "well, we certainly tried", and everyone had a good laugh.
 

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Come on guys tens of millions of wiretaps(probably hundreds of millions when all added up from all the companies that are tapped by PRISM) is purely used and only used in accordance with the very strict guidelines and oversight set forth by the invisible and uncountable court system. No abuse could possibly result from that!
I'm sure if we pass legislation requiring identities to eliminate anonymous burner cells everything will become a merry lollipop land.
 

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...96H0Y520130718

Dozens of companies, non-profits and trade organizations including Apple Inc, Google Inc and Facebook Inc sent a letter Thursday pushing the Obama administration and Congress for more disclosures on the government's national security-related requests for user data.

Together with LinkedIn Corp, Yahoo! Inc, Microsoft Corp, Twitter and many others, the companies asked for more transparency of secret data gathering in the letter addressed to President Barack Obama, Attorney General Eric Holder, National Intelligence Director James Clapper, National Security Agency (NSA) Director General Keith Alexander and national security leaders in Congress.

Tech companies have been scrambling to assert their independence after documents leaked last month by former U.S. security contractor Edward Snowden suggested they had given the government direct access to their computers as part of the NSA's secret surveillance program called Prism.

Such data collection activities are overseen by the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court and largely done under the laws of the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) and the USA PATRIOT Act.

The classified nature of the data gathering has barred the participating companies from disclosing even their involvement, let alone the content of the requests.

The leaks have renewed a public debate over the balance between national security and privacy, and have put tech companies in an awkward position, especially because many have been assailed for their own commercial use of customer data.
 

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Some thoughts about what a police state will mean in a age where democracy is broken


http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog...bad-dream.html


So why, when we have three clearly divergent political cultures, do I have the feeling that there's nobody to vote for - that whichever government is formed after the next election will continue to iterate and evolve the policies that have dominated British politics since May 1979?

I'm nursing a pet theory. Which is that there are actually four main political parties in Westminster: the Conservatives, Labour, the Liberal Democrats, and the Ruling Party.

The Ruling Party is a meta-party; it has members in all of the three major parties, and probably the minority parties as well. It always wins every election, because whichever party wins (or participates in a coalition) is led in Parliament by members of the Ruling Party, who have more in common with each other than with the back bench dinosaurs who form the rump of their notional party. One does not rise to Front Bench rank in any of the major parties unless one is a paid-up Ruling Party member, who meets with the approval of the Ruling Party members one will have to work with. Outsiders are excluded or marginalized, as are followers of the ideology to which the nominal party adheres.

Your typical Ruling Party representative attended a private school, studied Politics, Philosophy and Economics at Oxford (or perhaps Economics or Political Science at the LSE). If they took the Eton/PPE route they almost certainly joined the Oxford debating society. Alternatively they might be a barrister (a type of lawyer specializing in advocacy before a judge, rather than in back-office work).

The Ruling Party doesn't represent the general electorate, but a special electorate: the Alien Invaders and their symbiotes, the consultants and contractors and think-tank intellectuals who smooth the path to acquisition of government contracts or outsourcing arrangements - the government being the consumer of last resort in late phase consumer capitalism - arrangements which are supported and made profitable by government subsidies extracted from taxpayer revenue and long-term bonds. The Ruling Party is under no pressure to conform to the expectations of the general electorate because whoever the electors vote for, representatives of the Ruling Party will win; the only question is which representatives, which is why they are at such pains to triangulate on a common core of policies that don't risk differentiating them in a manner which might render them repugnant to some of the electorate.

Now, here's the problem with the Ruling Party system:

Democracy is a rather crap form of government, with several failure modes (of which the tendency to converge on an oligarchy is but one), but it has one huge advantage over other forms of government: it provides a mechanism for peacefully transferring power when a governing clique has outlived its popularity. We hold elections, not civil wars: we kick the bums out, their replacements clean house, and some time later the bums - chastened and perhaps minus some old, familiar, unpopular faces - get another chance.

But with the Ruling Party consolidating its grip on the front benches of the Nominal Parties - and this is not merely a problem in the UK, but in Canada, Australia, and elsewhere - the mechanism for ensuring a peaceful succession has broken down.

Moreover, we are now discovering that we live in a panopticon, in houses of glass that are open to inspection and surveillance by the powers of the Deep State. Our only remaining form of privacy is privacy by obscurity, by keeping such a low profile that we are of no individual interest to anyone: and even that is only a tenuous comfort. Any attempt at organizing a transfer of power that does not ring the changes and usher in a new group of Ruling Party faces to replace the old risks being denounced as Terrorism.

Regimes that brook no peaceful succession have to clamp down on dissent as their policies become increasingly unpopular. (Unpopularity can be avoided for some time - often for decades, in periods of economic prosperity - but eventually even the most enlightened regime loses the Mandate of Heaven, if only due to natural forces beyond their control.)And the new tools of surveillance guarantee that the scope for repression will be vast, for once you begin looking for subversion you will find a populace with no options for legitimate dissent provides unlimited targets.

My conclusion is that we are now entering a pre-revolutionary state, much as the nations of Europe did in 1849 with the suppression of the wave of revolutions that spurred, among other things, the writing of "The Communist Manifesto". It took more than a half-century for that pre-revolutionary situation to mature to the point of explosion, but explode it did, giving rise to the messy fallout of the 20th century. I don't know how long this pre-revolutionary situation will last - although I would be surprised if it persisted for less than two decades - but the whirlwind we reap will be ugly indeed: if you want to see how ugly, look to the Arab Spring and imagine it fought by finger-sized killer drones that know what you wrote on Facebook eighteen years ago when you were younger, foolish, and uncowed. And which is armed with dossiers the completeness of which the East German Stasi could only fantasize about.
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JFK: Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
 

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I for one applaud Obama, Holder and the FBI for placing a higher priority on trying to bring up Zimmerman on hate crime charges than properly disclosing of and informing us of whatever secret spy programs they have going on.
 

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I for one applaud Obama, Holder and the FBI for placing a higher priority on trying to bring up Zimmerman on hate crime charges than properly disclosing of and informing us of whatever secret spy programs they have going on.
If you think they're above pandering, think again! LOL
 

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I need to find a clip from the Judiciary hearing yesterday where a committee member asked "Did you really think you could keep these programs secret from Americans indefinitely?" And the Security guy smiles, answers, "well, we certainly tried", and everyone had a good laugh.
Please do.