I don't disagree. The thought just irks me that with less than impressive leaked information the admin has waited quite a while to address it. Just doesn't sit with me right.
The NSA watches you poop.
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Fair point. They tried appeasing people with calming words, and when that didn't work, they're starting to make changes in how the system actually works. But I don't think it's fair to give them shit for trying to reform the system, when that's the natural result of the people's bitching in the first place. We complain > they make changes because we complain > we complain that they are listening to our complaints WHAT ?
Making 'radical' changes to the FISA court is essentially admitting wrongdoing or at least gross incompetence. What Obama said he wants to do now is make it an adversarial process because... it currently is NOT. There is a term for courts that aren't adversarial-- kangaroo courts.
The 'no proof of abuse' claim is also nonsense. The wholesale capturing of everybody's private communications IS THE ABUSE. No human may have seen your data, but it is not in dispute that it is intercepted by government hardware and may be stored for years. They took a wrecking ball to the barrier of needing to submit a warrant to private entities for the data on each individual being investigated so now there is no company fighting on behalf of their users anymore, and instead some secret court issues blanket warrants to capture everybody's data with one decision.
I find it amazing that so many people are fine with every single electronic communication they participate in being intercepted, examined, and possibly stored by government hardware. Not long ago we criticized other countries for this kind of thing.
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Says who? Petreus affair was outted because of NSA info. I'm sure there's lot of other shit we don't know about.
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Kay, I'll take the bait. Finish this sentence: It's illegal because ______. And I don't want some regurgitated bullshit. Give me the legal constitutional analysis or get the fuck out.
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/yawn. Explain to me why the capturing of information is illegal. What legal authority allows you to come to that conclusion ? This shit is funny, really. Everyone KNOWS they have rights but the internet warriors don't have a fucking clue what those rights are. So give me the step by step legal analysis on why collecting data and sticking it on a server somewhere is illegal. Congressional action (ie. the patriot act) are always presumptively constitutional until declared otherwise by the courts. You're claiming that it's not. So prove it. I'll wait right here.
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He said, basing his pronouncement off of firm, verified facts and not rumors or speculation at all.
How quaint. Explain to me what "reasonable" means. Show me situations of searches that have been deemed reasonable and unreasonable and apply it to what's going on here. This is exactly the bullshit I'm talking about. You know you have rights, you just don't have a fucking clue what those rights are or how they've been applied. That ain't good enough. Give me the analysis.
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Wow bigttime NSA shilling. So let me guess you're a government contractor?
So you think intercepting and reading people's regular old-fashioned mail is a legitimate government activity barring probable cause?
You think that privacy is what the executive branch determines it to be?
You think that the First Amendment is destructible when the executive branch determines that something is protected by "National Security" such that when a company is forced to shutdown due to government national security requests it can't even publicize the reasons it is shutting down or those requests?
You think that the Founder's vision of limited government is pass?? That the Ninth and Tenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution are a nullity?
Interesting.
I'm pretty sure the legal ball is in your court as to why you think my privacy can be invaded at will by the NSA/Obama administration.
And a little FYI, I'll totally admit that I'm playing devil's advocate here. I don't know if these searches are constitutional or not, but if you've spent any amount of time studying constitutional law at all, you know that none of this shit is ever clear cut obvious. The people who scream and shout about the patriot act being "illegal" need to shut the fuck up, because they honestly don't have a fucking clue what they're talking about. Everyone has an opinion, and unless you wear a robe and sit on a federal court, your opinion means absolute shit.
Has the government invaded your privacy ? Have they showed up at your door and told you "DO NOT POST NEGATIVELY AGAINST US ON REROLLED.ORG ANYMORE OR ELSE !" Where is this police state you keep whining about ? Show me facts and legal analysis, or, again, shut the fuck up.
And no. I don't work for the government.
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Reasonable is not completely widespread powers to search anything they want with oversight from a kangaroo rubberstamp court. If what is going on isn't a breach of the 4th amendment, it might as well not even exist.
Reasonable is flying unicorns shitting rainbows. My statement has as much legal weight as yours -- absolutely zero. Give me case law stating what reasonable is. Then apply that case law to what is going on here.
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Sure you don't buddy. So I have different burden of proof then you? Interesting.
You get to pretend to be an arrogant fuck that doesn't know shit about the law and I'm expected to be reasonable? Also interesting.
But let's just examine your first request briefly shall we: facts? You want facts about the invasion of my privacy: the recording of my phone calls and metadata by the NSA, photocopying by the USPS of both sides of my mail, the trolling by the NSA of this and other forums?
I'd love to give you facts... But it seems to me the Obama administration has made it plenty clear the "facts" of the NSA surveillance are a national security issue and something that can't be revealed to us common folk. So no you don't get any facts, you little prick. Nor do you get a legal analysis, though of course you are welcome to read whatever un-edited and/or un-redacted EFF/ACLU complaints are available for their various legal efforts.
You're a stupid troll. You should have stuck to your request for legal authority and not brought up a request for 'facts'.
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Sorry bro, Im not your legal assistant. If you can't see how the only oversight to such widespread surveillance being a rubber-stamp court then I am not going to try and convince you. Hell, even the president now (who has been shilling for this shit hard) has realized this shit isn't going to fly.
Also, as far as citing caselaw, even if caselaw currently supported it, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be immediately changed.
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