The Paranormal, UFO's, and Mysteries of the Unknown

Void said:

Wow, I see I missed a barn burner last night.

I don't want to speak for Chuk or put words in his mouth, so I might be wrong, but I think his problem with some of you is the same as mine. If you don't believe that those are mundane objects misinterpreted by humans or instrumentation, or fakes, or drones, or whatever...what do you think they are? Tell us, straight out. It isn't enough to tell him that he's retarded or stupid or has no idea what he's talking about. If you don't agree with Chuk and me, you must believe one of the following options:

a) it is aliens piloting alien craft;
b) it is humans piloting recovered/gifted alien craft;
c) it is humans piloting heretofore unknown advanced human craft.

(And when I say piloting, that includes remote piloting ie. drones)

So which are each of you? And why? What evidence leads you to support your choice?

My evidence, since you might ask, is a combination of Occam's Razor and Common Sense. There has never been credible evidence of aliens or alien technology existing. There has never been credible evidence of humans making these specific breakthroughs in technology. While there is also not enough evidence to conclusively prove the theories in Chuk's videos, in the absence of any other evidence, it fits the best IN MY OPINION.

Many of you will use the fact that we can't conclusively prove our stance any more than the other ones as ammunition to bolster those other options. That is where common sense comes in. I don't have a kid, but imagine that you come home and there is a big piece of cake missing. You ask what happened. The kid tells you that xhe has no idea, maybe someone broke into the house and ate it. Lacking any conclusive evidence, that COULD be the truth. But the more likely truth is, obviously, that the kid ate it. That's what we have here. You guys are saying that a burglar ate it, because you want to believe cake-eating-burglars (CEBs for short) exist, and claiming that since we don't know for sure, your conclusion has just as much merit as the one where the kid ate it.

Moreover, since the kid down the street was also trying to get away with eating cake, he started telling stories about CEBs, then others started posting about CEBs on the internet, and other kids started tossing their accounts of CEBs into the hat because it was fun or a troll or they genuinely believed that it happened and wanted to get in on the hype, now any kid can point to the internet and say, "See, CEBs are real! Why else would there be so many posts and articles and blurry pictures of them?? There are whole websites and YouTube channels devoted to studying them!!" And look, the government just admitted that they are tracking all CEB sightings! Navy personnel saw CEBs themselves! They exist! And any time there is concrete evidence of a kid eating cake, CEB proponents say that still doesn't prove that all CEB sightings are fake. Despite the fact that there was never, and never has been, any actual evidence of CEBs, and many CEB claims are proven false, the possibility of CEBs still exists. Even though common sense says that the more likely answer is that it was kids eating cake, there are things that COULD be CEBs, so they are going to believe in them.

So come on, just tell us, are you a, b, or c? And why?

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I went back and forth on UFO stuff for close to 30 years but ultimately the only conclusion that makes sense to me is highly secretive black ops that are compartmentalized outside of the regular military

Reasons:

1. Explosion in UFO sightings starts right around same time as human are developing jet flight (Nazi ME-262) and moving away from prop planes (WW2 and Foo Fighters). Its also telling that UFO sightings in WW2 are almost exclusively reported by Allied Forces. There is no UFO sighting that Im aware of that were reported by Nazi pilots. All in all, invention of supersonic flight in 1947 basically goes hand in hand with regularly reported UFO sightings by civilians. I think this is the biggest one for me.

2. The case for extra terrestrial life existing is very small, the case for same life existing in same time frame as us (remember we are a radar blip of maybe 10,000 years on a 13.7B year time scale) is even smaller, the case for that life having the technological capability to find us and visit us is infinitesimal, and then the case for that life to find us but then do absolutely nothing except just secretly flying around is pretty much impossible.

3. No credible evidence of aliens

4. In this age of 24/7 global surveillance, drones, handheld cameras and nonstop recording of anything - there's still no visual evidence of something that looks concretely like an alien vessel, or any imagery thats clear and indisputed. in 2020, it all still looks like bigfoot and Nessie film reels from 1960s.

The only thing that kept me vacillating for so long is that the are a lot of govt agencies and officials that are just as stumped as we are. To me that was an indication that maaaybe theres something that doesnt involve the Earth governments, which I guess could only be aliens. After watching this for 30 years, I just dont believe that anymore.

I think the real explanation is that these are top secret military projects that are buried so far down in black ops budgets that not even 99% of military and civilian government is allowed to be privy to it. I dont know exactly what the interplay is here and how the rumors/truth is managed but Im guessing the black ops people just dont care until the noise gets too loud and then they reach out to whatever Admiral/General is running their mouth and ask them kindly to shut the fuck up. Same with all those investigation panels like Blue Book, etc. Eventually the Black Ops people reach out to them and probably say "It would be great if your panel concluded that nothing was found so that you could continue to progress in your career"

H.A. Monkey said:

Void please smoke less crack. You've obviously, and possibly intentionally, left out information to fill in gaps. Your analogy of a red hot piece of sand if flawed as hell. We aren’t just some piece of sand. We are actively emitting signals into space in the hopes of contacting something. That piece of sand would need to be emitting laser-like beams of light. That changes things from needing expansive technology to allow us to detect it. To simply the right time, right place. We know we shouldn’t be looking for life on 800* planets. Same as gaseous planets. So now we’ve eliminated a vast amount of possible areas to search. Shit our odds of finding something are way way higher. Fucking glad I’m willing to think before ranting like you.

How and why do you think that our technological devices now are as good as it gets? Wouldn’t our devices in 100 years be(using that one guys law of doubling crap) be some 50x more capable than what we have now? How are you to simply deny that tech cannot get that advanced? Way to shit on what is possible. You sound like a grumpy old man. Got fired from your job because you don’t understand new things. Refuse to change. Probably racist too.

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Yes, I intentionally altered the analogy. To make it EASIER to find that grain of sand than it would be for any random alien civilization to find us! Of course I simplified it. But as I alluded to, technically I should have made you pick a specific time frame, let's be REALLY generous and let you pick any one full day out of that year. That's the day you get to search, because that's how long your alien civ has existed compared to the life of the universe. If the minute I chose to make the grain of sand glow doesn't fall on that day (equating to our civs not existing at the same time), you're shit out of luck aren't you? And I simplified it again (which I mentioned) by not making it take X amount of time to go from sand to sand, because interstellar travel, and searching an entire galaxy for life, isn't instantaneous even with FTL. Or how about when I simplified it by not making that red light take a minute, or an hour, or a day, or a week, etc. to be visible to your sight so that by the time you saw it and reacted to it, the light (our civilization) was already dead? But somehow you think that I purposely made it too hard. Please, continue to explain how you are so much more enlightened and wonderful of a person than I am by taking time to think before ranting. And calling me a grumpy old unemployed racist. If that doesn't say class, let alone advanced intelligence and reasoning skills, I don't know what does!

And of course I realize that tech advances and gets better. But none of the limitations I mentioned would be solved UNLESS we crack light speed travel, communications, and for lack of a better term that I can't think of right now, detection. Because I don't give a fuck if we narrow down our choices so we don't have to check every galaxy, or they are receiving our emissions, etc. None of that matters one iota unless you can exceed light speed, and not just exceed it, but basically figure out a way to teleport anywhere in the universe instantly. Because even if you can go 100x the speed of light, you're still going to take a long fucking time getting to the other side of the universe. And so what if someone sees our emissions? They won't see them for decades if they are close, and millennia if they are not. And if they decide to come visit us after that detection, they won't get here for even longer times. But you think that's no big deal, we're emitting signals!

Again, sure tech is going to get way better in the future. Unless we all become part of the New Global Muslim Nation, or the US elects Biden and we all have to wait in line for bread instead of worrying about improving tech. But assuming none of those things happen, sure we'll get better and better at it. And some distant alien civ might be even better. I would argue that it would still be easier to find that grain of sand than to find us specifically, but let's assume I'm wrong. We still need the invention of FTL to make it happen in any manner that is actually relevant to civilization as we know it right now, otherwise by the time the aliens get here, we might be nothing but a dead planet. Maybe FTL will be possible some day, none of us can really say. But for now, it seems like we know enough about physics and reality that light speed is the hard limit we might never exceed no matter how great our tech eventually gets. Until we see evidence to the contrary, you're just using the argument that I did where they have a wizard to cast a magic spell to get here. Since, you know, I thought about that before posting.

But please, continue to insult me and give me maybes. You certainly showed me.