The Paranormal, UFO's, and Mysteries of the Unknown

TJT said:

Megaliths in general are pretty fascinating. I don't like stupid ass aliens theories because the mundane here is more fascinating. Not even today would masons try to move a bunch of gigantic ass rocks.

The polygonal masonry is just really cool. Or any of the mortar less masonry that exists around. This is because logically, you would want to use smaller bricks that are uniform. Which is the conclusion later civilizations came to. To use massive blocks that would be, at best, extremely awkward to move even with modern machinery.

I get that mortar probably wasn't invented yet. Or any that was didn't survive that passage of time or something.

I won't stress aliens or anything but it is an interesting perspective/school of thought as no later human cultures even attempted to replicate it.

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they found that the fitted polygonal shaped rocks are damned near earthquake proof while mortared rocks/bricks shake to bits and collapse. no idea if this was a feature or a happy accident, but its why the old megaliths are still around. i saw one video that had me rolling my eyes. the guy said that they used larger rocks a long time ago because gravity was different and of course we had giants. i was like, come on. how different? how much less gravity do you need to make a 500-1000 TON block, manageable?

Kiroy said:

i'm much more interested in the shaping/fitting of thousands of large stones on a massive scale that must all work together, rather than the moving of em.

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some theories are that they had power saws and drills.

there is evidence of rock saw mills back in Roman times
Hierapolis sawmill - Wikipedia

but there is nothing to suggest that pre Colombian America had this tech thousands of years ago. i dont even know if they used metal tools of any kind.
its a huge mystery and because of the age of these megaliths and structures, we likely will never know for sure.

MusicForFish said:

Ya, the evidence of boring tech being implemented in Egypt, Puma Punku, etc. And also used metal to tighten the blocks together.
But sacsayhuaman is an altogether mystery. Well never know how it was built. Giants? Possibly. I cant think of any way to get that much stone up onto the mountain like that, let alone getting them in place. Every piece of stone there has the look of being melted together, almost like they were liquified and cast. They have hand holds all over them too, clearly melted and added. Perhaps for lifting? It's quite possible they had flying tech of some sort in a previous civilization. Maybe straight up earth benders.

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the melting part might be a bit far fetched. some of those stones could just be weathered away through the millennia or they were quarried from rivers or they had some polishing process. and yeah, every ancient culture seems to have those little metal clamps in their megalithic structures.

Chukzombi said:

the melting part might be a bit far fetched. some of those stones could just be weathered away through the millennia or they were quarried from rivers or they had some polishing process. and yeah, every ancient culture seems to have those little metal clamps in their megalithic structures.

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Holy shit, every single picture has stone blocks in it. There must be an ancient pre younger dryas civilisation which taught them all to use stone cuboids.

Chris said:

Holy shit, every single picture has stone blocks in it. There must be an ancient pre younger dryas civilisation which taught them all to use stone cuboids.

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are you actually denying ancient civilization existed? do you really think this ancient tech is caveman tier bullshit?

Chukzombi said:

some theories are that they had power saws and drills.

there is evidence of rock saw mills back in Roman times
Hierapolis sawmill - Wikipedia

but there is nothing to suggest that pre Colombian America had this tech thousands of years ago. i dont even know if they used metal tools of any kind.
its a huge mystery and because of the age of these megaliths and structures, we likely will never know for sure.

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The Tlaxcalans eventually developed metallurgy but nothing in that diagram, from the energy transmission to the reciprocating action, is possible without first inventing the wheel--which noone in mesoamerica ever did.

Kiroy said:

someone I think in this thread argued that they did actually know about the wheel but it wasn't widely utilized for travel/transport due to the terrain, I can't remember where I fell in that convo after reading what they provided

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they had knowledge of it, but that was still fairly recently. like within the last 500 years.
sites like Machu Picchu boggle the mind.


you think oh well, they just rolled those megaliths there with logs. STUPID!
yeah no.

Maybe the larger stones were already there and just carved/nudged into place. I'm sure someone has compared the stone at the summit to the stones used for construction?

Why would you move stones that large up a mountain using magic/UFOs/ancient helicopter then have them all be different sizes with small ones all around it? You'd only have odd sized stones if you were using the materials at the location and had limited skill to standardise those sized blocks.

Chukzombi said:

are you actually denying ancient civilization existed? do you really think this ancient tech is caveman tier bullshit?

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Occam's Razor says that it's a very basic masonry technique which was independantly developed in at minimum two places (South America/Middle East) and travelled via trade routes/immigration to the rest.

One level more complicated, it was developed in one place, spread to others via trade routes then some outstanding individuals crossed the Pacific from somewhere like China and brought the technique with them.

One level more complicated, there's lost trade routes across the Pacific or Atlantic via which the technique spread.

One level more complicated, there was an ancient globe spanning civilisation who used the technique in their colonies.

Given the evidence, I like the idea of some Asians managing to get to Central America but that's as far as I'd go. Each level difference is exponentially less likely than the last.

Chukzombi said:

they had knowledge of it, but that was still fairly recently. like within the last 500 years.
sites like Machu Picchu boggle the mind.

you think oh well, they just rolled those megaliths there with logs. STUPID!
yeah no.

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Those were almost certainly quarried on the spot or dragged there by slaves. Like everything else the pre-columbians did.

Geometric formations happen all the time in nature... there's a massive, trillion-ton iceberg that's in a perfect rectangular shape in the Antarctic right now. Nothing weird about it: