The Paranormal, UFO's, and Mysteries of the Unknown

Chris said:

Maybe the larger stones were already there and just carved/nudged into place. I'm sure someone has compared the stone at the summit to the stones used for construction?

Why would you move stones that large up a mountain using magic/UFOs/ancient helicopter then have them all be different sizes with small ones all around it? You'd only have odd sized stones if you were using the materials at the location and had limited skill to standardise those sized blocks.


Occam's Razor says that it's a very basic masonry technique which was independantly developed in at minimum two places (South America/Middle East) and travelled via trade routes/immigration to the rest.

One level more complicated, it was developed in one place, spread to others via trade routes then some outstanding individuals crossed the Pacific from somewhere like China and brought the technique with them.

One level more complicated, there's lost trade routes across the Pacific or Atlantic via which the technique spread.

One level more complicated, there was an ancient globe spanning civilisation who used the technique in their colonies.

Given the evidence, I like the idea of some Asians managing to get to Central America but that's as far as I'd go. Each level difference is exponentially less likely than the last.

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here is the quarry.

Lightning Lord Rule said:

I meant autists built all those old giant blocks

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you mean the movie version of autism. not that many Rain Mans in loin cloths building pyramids or fitting hundred ton boulders together up on mountains.

Chukzombi said:

here is the quarry.

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Can you save me the time and just say if it's on the same mountain/same stone or not?

Chris said:

Can you save me the time and just say if it's on the same mountain/same stone or not?

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its a two minute video

Chukzombi said:

its a two minute video

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I'm not in a location where I can play a video or have sound on.

I'll just assume that the quarry is on the same mountain and provided the smaller stones and the ultra-megalithic stones were already on site.

Chris said:

I'm not in a location where I can play a video or have sound on.

I'll just assume that the quarry is on the same mountain and provided the smaller stones and the ultra-megalithic stones were already on site.

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from the official site.

Machu Picchu Facts
Machu Picchu Facts

• One of the Seven Wonders of the World.
• No wheels were used to transport heavy rocks for the construction of the city.
• Structures were built with a technique called “ashlar.” Stones are cut to fit together without mortar. Remarkably, not even a needle can fit in between two stones.
• Many of the stones that were used to build the city weighed more than 50 tons. How did these stones get up the mountain? Some were chiseled from the granite bedrock of the mountain ridge. For others, hundreds of men pushed the heavy rocks up the steep mountain side.
  
  

Slaves and time. The Incans had no shortage of either.

The quarry was within EARSHOT of Macchu Picchu.

khorum said:

Slaves and time. The Incans had no shortage of either.

The quarry was within EARSHOT of Macchu Picchu.

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the question isnt whether the incans built Machu Picchi, but how MUCH of it was built by them. there are two very different styles of construction. so either one part was built at a different time or it was built by a different culture. the bottom part seems to be the god tier construction while the upper half is shit tier quality brickwork. they date these sites by the mortar and the mortar is only found in the shit tier section.

Chukzombi said:

the question isnt whether the incans built Machu Picchi, but how MUCH of it was built by them. there are two very different styles of construction. so either one part was built at a different time or it was built by a different culture. the bottom part seems to be the god tier construction while the upper half is shit tier quality brickwork. they date these sites by the mortar and the mortar is only found in the shit tier section.

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well, ok... but neither phases of construction needed anything more than lots of slaves and time.

After enough time and/or dead slaves, it wouldnt be surprising that the process and materials changed eventually.

Kiroy said:

The catch is when the really try to laser the dating focus to the original structure it often comes back pre civilization, which ruffles jimmies. The claim is most dating is completely fubar for most these types of sites cause they’re dating shit that was pretty clearly built on top of older structures.

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what? no thats silly. Give these poor browns some credit lol, they built all that shit without alien help by kidnapping their neighbors' kids and forcing them to haul rocks till they died.

khorum said:

what? no thats silly. Give these poor browns some credit lol, they built all that shit without alien help by kidnapping their neighbors' kids and forcing them to haul rocks till they died.

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the poor browns had gods who were blue eyed white people. thats why when the Spaniards arrived they thought they were Gods returning home.

Well duh. All gods are blue-eyed blonde people. Even Jesus. Doesn't mean Machu Pichu or Angkor Wat or Hamunaptra needed anything more than a bunch of slaves and time to construct.

khorum said:

Well duh. All gods are blue-eyed blonde people. Even Jesus. Doesn't mean Machu Pichu or Angkor Wat or Hamunaptra needed anything more than a bunch of slaves and time to construct.

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even if they were Teamsters, the fact is you still need some serious planning for this construction project. its up high on a mountain. you are sourcing your materials on or near site. but its still an engineering problem moving those megaliths to the final destination. you still gotta house and feed these people too. if they weak as fuck they arent moving anything. maybe thats why those upper bricks are so shitty in comparison to the bottom slabs. you get shit results when you have shit workers. i dont think anyone is teaching slaves how to carve monstrous rocks and fit them with razor thin accuracy . it aint aliens, but i think it was more than just slaves.

So crackers built it?

khorum said:

So white people built it?

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maybe
Viracocha - Wikipedia
Controversy over "White God"
Spanish chroniclers from the 16th century claimed that when the conquistadors led by Francisco Pizarro first encountered the Incas they were greeted as gods, "Viracochas", because their lighter skin resembled their god Viracocha.[12] This story was first reported by Pedro Cieza de León (1553) and later by Pedro Sarmiento de Gamboa. Similar accounts by Spanish chroniclers (e.g. Juan de Betanzos) describe Viracocha as a "white god", often with a beard.[13] The whiteness of Viracocha is however not mentioned in the native authentic legends of the Incas and most modern scholars therefore had considered the "white god" story to be a post-conquest Spanish invention.[14][15]




Moche ceramic vessels depicting bearded men

Similarly to the Incan god Viracocha, the Aztec god Quetzalcoatl and several other deities from Central and South American pantheons, like the Muisca god Bochica are described in legends as being bearded.[16] The beard, once believed to be a mark of a prehistoric European influence and quickly fueled and embellished by spirits of the colonial era, had its single significance in the continentally insular culture of Mesoamerica. The Anales de Cuauhtitlan is a very important early source which is particularly valuable for having been originally written in Nahuatl. The Anales de Cuauhtitlan describes the attire of Quetzalcoatl at Tula:


In this quote the beard is represented as a dressing of feathers, fitting comfortably with academic impressions of Mesoamerican art. The story, however, does not mention whether Viracocha had facial hair or not with the point of outfitting him with a mask and symbolic feathered beard being to cover his unsightly appearance because as Viracocha said "If ever my subjects were to see me, they would run away!"[18] While descriptions of Viracocha's physical appearance are open to interpretation, it should be noted that men with beards were frequently depicted by the Peruvian Moche culture in its famous pottery, long before the arrival of the Spanish.[19] Modern advocates of theories such as a pre-Columbian European migration to Peru cite these bearded ceramics and Viracocha's beard as being evidence for an early presence of non-Amerindians in Peru.[20][21] Although most Indians do not have heavy beards, there are groups reported to have included bearded individuals, such as the Aché people of Paraguay, who also have light skin but who are not known to have any admixture with Europeans and Africans.[22] When the Southern Paiute were first contacted by Europeans in 1776, the report by fathers Silvestre Vélez de Escalante and Francisco Atanasio Domínguez noted that "Some of the men had thick beards and were thought to look more in appearance like Spanish men than native Americans".[23]