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alavaz

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Mizake said:
This, imo, is what's wrong with the whole younger generation. This sense of political correctness, that you can't say anything offensive, and that you can't be direct to someone.

I don't know the guy. I gave my honest opinion. It wasn't the nicest because he hasn't taken any sort of accountability for his situation, and continually blames other factors for his misfortunes. Until he does that, he won't be able to correct his current trajectory. We all get in tough spots, he's not unique in that. What's different is he can't see where he is the problem. Again, a flat tire is not an excuse not to show up to work. Most of us would have found a way to work-around that. Barring that, most of us would have communicated with our boss to let them know the situation, and that being late was excusable, but not a common occurence.

What does being nicer give him? Coddling him? It gets him to where he is now. A false sense of self. "Hey buddy, that sucks, I feel for you bro, things will get better". "Dude, you're smarter than this, you'll find a solution". That might make me sound like a nicer guy, but that won't help him get any closer to getting a job. What he needs is solid advice. Whether he takes it or not is up to him.

Solid advice: Next time something obstructive happens, like getting a flat tire, try to find a solution around it. Again, you could have called a taxi, Uber, or had someone bring you to work. It was your first day of work, first impressions are important. Second piece of solid advice: For your first day of work especially, plan ahead, wake up early, show interest in your job. Make a good impression.

If you guys get butthurt over that, I don't know what to say. I'm not trying to be friends or make nice with the guy. I'm genuinely trying to help him. His OP is so full of mistakes that he can't even see. Being nice to him isn't going to help him see them. Come on......not showing up to work because you don't want to pay a parking permit? If you don't call him out on that, he's just bound to repeat his mistakes. If he doesn't see that as a mistake, then that's on him. He fucked up, and he can get indignant, but if he doesn't realize how he fucked up, he's just going to keep spinning his wheels.
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You are correct but I also think that your post tilted more towards the advice side of things and Big P and Gunnar's posts tilted more towards insults than advice though. I know plenty of people (generally referred to as "haters") who like to use "advice" as a cover for insulting you because it makes them feel better. I mean, regardless, people shouldn't let a few dickish comments bring them down anymore than they should let flat tires and miscommunication get in the way of their livelihood.

If you are really interested in helping someone out though, sometimes it is better if you don't call them a piece of shit while doing it.... just saying.
 
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alavaz said:
You are correct but I also think that your post tilted more towards the advice side of things and Big P and Gunnar's posts tilted more towards insults than advice though. I know plenty of people (generally referred to as "haters") who like to use "advice" as a cover for insulting you because it makes them feel better. I mean, regardless, people shouldn't let a few dickish comments bring them down anymore than they should let flat tires and miscommunication get in the way of their livelihood.

If you are really interested in helping someone out though, sometimes it is better if you don't call them a piece of shit while doing it.... just saying.
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Thank you for the advice you piece of shit
 
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Zog

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Theres 2 glaring problems with your political diatribe about coddling youngsters.

1, I didn't refuse to pay parking, I was unable to pay because I RAN OUT OF FUCKING MONEY BECAUSE THE STAFFING AGENCY DIDN'T DO THEIR FUCKING JOB AND PROCURE A PARKING PASS.

2, I was fired from Masonite (not the hotel electrical job that requires a $7 a day parking fee) at 6:05 am, 5 minutes after my scheduled start time after my initial call to the staffing agency at 5:30am informing them I had a flat and would be late.

My biggest issue with each of the posters here is that they are grilling me on shit that isn't even true, just making up shit after Gunnar went off on some condescending pseudo-advice calling me a loser.

You guys are literally making up shit to fit your narrative that I need to accept all these things are my fault and that I somehow had any means to remedy the situation, preventing my dismissal.

Did you know I walked with a God damn tire 10 miles to and from to put air in it so I could get to work? No, you didn't because I wasnt here looking for fucking advice on life. Half way to the gas station, covered in tire dirt and sweating my ass off I got the call that I was terminated.

So put that moment in your mind and re-read through my posts and tell me I'm some fucking coddled bitch and you expected a different response where I was going to acknowledge any of these points like I gave up and expected everything handed to me.

With that, I'm done defending myself from anyone in the future and if I could id delete the whole fucking thread.
 
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Zog said:
Theres 2 glaring problems with your political diatribe about coddling youngsters.

1, I didn't refuse to pay parking, I was unable to pay because I RAN OUT OF FUCKING MONEY BECAUSE THE STAFFING AGENCY DIDN'T DO THEIR FUCKING JOB AND PROCURE A PARKING PASS.

2, I was fired from Masonite (not the hotel electrical job that requires a $7 a day parking fee) at 6:05 am, 5 minutes after my scheduled start time after my initial call to the staffing agency at 5:30am informing them I had a flat and would be late.

My biggest issue with each of the posters here is that they are grilling me on shit that isn't even true, just making up shit after Gunnar went off on some condescending pseudo-advice calling me a loser.

You guys are literally making up shit to fit your narrative that I need to accept all these things are my fault and that I somehow had any means to remedy the situation, preventing my dismissal.

Did you know I walked with a God damn tire 10 miles to and from to put air in it so I could get to work? No, you didn't because I wasnt here looking for fucking advice on life. Half way to the gas station, covered in tire dirt and sweating my ass off I got the call that I was terminated.

So put that moment in your mind and re-read through my posts and tell me I'm some fucking coddled bitch and you expected a different response where I was going to acknowledge any of these points like I gave up and expected everything handed to me.

With that, I'm done defending myself from anyone in the future and if I could id delete the whole fucking thread.
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Work legally?
 
Cutlery

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Zog said:
Theres 2 glaring problems with your political diatribe about coddling youngsters.

1, I didn't refuse to pay parking, I was unable to pay because I RAN OUT OF FUCKING MONEY BECAUSE THE STAFFING AGENCY DIDN'T DO THEIR FUCKING JOB AND PROCURE A PARKING PASS.
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Technically, you ran out of money because you didn't do your job. Which was have a job.


2, I was fired from Masonite (not the hotel electrical job that requires a $7 a day parking fee) at 6:05 am, 5 minutes after my scheduled start time after my initial call to the staffing agency at 5:30am informing them I had a flat and would be late.
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Did you know I walked with a God damn tire 10 miles to and from to put air in it so I could get to work? No, you didn't because I wasnt here looking for fucking advice on life. Half way to the gas station, covered in tire dirt and sweating my ass off I got the call that I was terminated.
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So it was 10 miles to the gas station, and you walked half of that distance carrying a tire after removing said tire in 35 minutes. At best you walked 5- 7 minute miles, but it probably took you time to get the tire off, so realistically, you were keeping a pretty epic pace there with your 5 minute miles.

I think there's a phrase to describe this kind of behavior. Oh wait, I found it -

You guys are literally making up shit to fit your narrative
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Yeah, that's probably what happened.

Seriously, you claim to work construction and you don't have an air compressor? Come on dude. No self respecting man should be without a way to inflate his fucking tires on his property. The air at the gas station is for kids riding their bikes.
 
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Zog said:
Blah blah you guys are assholes blah blah
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Bruh, let me walk you through this cause you seem new to this whole "Make a post on FoH" thing. First thing is you gotta know you lost. Doesn't matter what you were trying for or what your opinion is you lost. Doesn't even matter if you weren't playing, you lost. The Board Opinion has swayed against you. Make another thread about something else and try again.

Secondly you gotta look at the common denominator is all this pile of shit thats been thrown at you. That common denominator is you. You fucked up trusting shit bags and assuming a hiring agency gives a flying shit about you. Learn from it, don't get fucked again. Join a fucking union if that's what you gotta do. Who gives a fuck, just make that money.
There nothing wrong with coming on here and bitching about whatever, fuck I did it not too many threads ago. I read shit I didn't feel like reading, and got annoyed about some of the answers. Then, I got the fuck over it. I fixed the issue and am grateful for the responses I got because though I may not have liked all of them I still learned from it. You need to do the same and quit getting butt hurt. Man up, realize life sometimes sucks fucking balls and deal with it.
 
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Mizake

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Zog said:
Theres 2 glaring problems with your political diatribe about coddling youngsters.

1, I didn't refuse to pay parking, I was unable to pay because I RAN OUT OF FUCKING MONEY BECAUSE THE STAFFING AGENCY DIDN'T DO THEIR FUCKING JOB AND PROCURE A PARKING PASS.

2, I was fired from Masonite (not the hotel electrical job that requires a $7 a day parking fee) at 6:05 am, 5 minutes after my scheduled start time after my initial call to the staffing agency at 5:30am informing them I had a flat and would be late.

My biggest issue with each of the posters here is that they are grilling me on shit that isn't even true, just making up shit after Gunnar went off on some condescending pseudo-advice calling me a loser.

You guys are literally making up shit to fit your narrative that I need to accept all these things are my fault and that I somehow had any means to remedy the situation, preventing my dismissal.

Did you know I walked with a God damn tire 10 miles to and from to put air in it so I could get to work? No, you didn't because I wasnt here looking for fucking advice on life. Half way to the gas station, covered in tire dirt and sweating my ass off I got the call that I was terminated.

So put that moment in your mind and re-read through my posts and tell me I'm some fucking coddled bitch and you expected a different response where I was going to acknowledge any of these points like I gave up and expected everything handed to me.

With that, I'm done defending myself from anyone in the future and if I could id delete the whole fucking thread.
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Still want to blame anything/anyone but yourself I see? Way to take responsibility. Always the victim.

Just another point. First, you never mentioned anything about walking with a flat tire so you could get to work. We aren't mind readers, so don't get so indignant about it. Second, the whole walking 10 miles with a flat tire thing sounds made up. You called them (allegedly) at 5:30 to inform them of the flat......35 minutes later, they fired you, at 6:05. So not sure which part of this you made up, it's so full of hyperbole.....you are saying you walked 5 miles in 30 minutes?

Let's even believe for a minute what you are saying is true......why walk a flat tire to a gas station? You apparently don't have $7 to pay for a parking permit, how are you going to afford to pay the gas station to repair your tire? I'm genuinely curious. Your wife couldn't give you a ride to work or gas station? She couldn't give you $7 for the day to pay for parking for the other job? Apparently you can afford a computer and an internet connection but can't pay for parking?

All I see from your last post is a bunch of excuses, no accountability, which again, is part of the whole problem. Talk about making up shit to fit your narrative....you blame Gunnar, me, and others of being malicious to you, then suddenly you create a post with all this new information that conveniently tries to absolve you from blame?
 
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Didn't Eomer say that the plumbers they hire some are really good and really on time but the vast majority are shitheads that never show up? I can understand even being 5 minutes late to work on your first day you're instantly cast into the "shithead who never shows up" role and they fire your ass.
 
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I feel for the OP. But the first mistake is not trying to take responsibility for all that you can. Chances are if you look at all of your decisions it ends up boiling down to a choice you could have made differently. Look back on the events and try to find those moments, and learn from them.
 
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I still think it's a bit pointless kicking a dude while he's down. But I am the minority I guess

Not like the dude asked for handouts or xboxes
 
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alavaz

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Zog said:
Theres 2 glaring problems with your political diatribe about coddling youngsters.

1, I didn't refuse to pay parking, I was unable to pay because I RAN OUT OF FUCKING MONEY BECAUSE THE STAFFING AGENCY DIDN'T DO THEIR FUCKING JOB AND PROCURE A PARKING PASS.

2, I was fired from Masonite (not the hotel electrical job that requires a $7 a day parking fee) at 6:05 am, 5 minutes after my scheduled start time after my initial call to the staffing agency at 5:30am informing them I had a flat and would be late.

My biggest issue with each of the posters here is that they are grilling me on shit that isn't even true, just making up shit after Gunnar went off on some condescending pseudo-advice calling me a loser.

You guys are literally making up shit to fit your narrative that I need to accept all these things are my fault and that I somehow had any means to remedy the situation, preventing my dismissal.

Did you know I walked with a God damn tire 10 miles to and from to put air in it so I could get to work? No, you didn't because I wasnt here looking for fucking advice on life. Half way to the gas station, covered in tire dirt and sweating my ass off I got the call that I was terminated.

So put that moment in your mind and re-read through my posts and tell me I'm some fucking coddled bitch and you expected a different response where I was going to acknowledge any of these points like I gave up and expected everything handed to me.

With that, I'm done defending myself from anyone in the future and if I could id delete the whole fucking thread.
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I'm really not trying to tear you down, I promise. It just seems like this info would be something you would mention originally. Even then, let's just say this was all truly just a shit streak of luck, the only thing you can really learn from all this is to be more prepared. Have a spare tire and a pump, borrow parking money - or find a park and ride and catch the bus from there. You probably arrived to that conclusion on your own anyway which really means that there is no advice to be given.
 
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Noodleface said:
I still think it's a bit pointless kicking a dude while he's down. But I am the minority I guess

Not like the dude asked for handouts or xboxes
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No he just trolls for pity on a message board like a shut in faggot

If at any point he expressed responsibility for any part of this no one would be on his case.

This all aheppened to him, not his fault. No one loves him or is there for him, not his fault. We are mean to him, he's just a good guy. Fuck that. We are all grown men, a couple trannies and whatever Mist is calling itself.

Man, woman, tranny the fuck up.
 
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I had guys like him under me in the military. You have to break them down to build them up. I'm not going to pander to his sadness. Same type of guy I used to have to watch get in and out of a shower because of hygiene issues. Same guy that I would put in a uniform inspection every morning because he couldn't remember to buy a razor and shave. Some can turn it around, others try to friend me on Facebook while living in their moms basement.

Bad things happen to good people. Losing shady job after shady job while being 20 bucks from homelessness happens to pieces of shit.
 
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Ambiturner

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People like Gunnar thinking they're doing "straight talk bro" when really you're just being a faggot. Don't pretend like you actually give a shit, you just think it makes you feel superior to someone by shitting on them when they're down.

And the whole pro-union rant? Lol go fuck yourself
 
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It is not normally hard to get a "shot" in the trades, but it's just as easy to fuck it up. Because of the constant transient nature of construction workers companies are very fast to stereotype and pigeon hole you into a "type". It is hard to get past the fodder stage. If you smoke or drink stop it. Never show up to work in torn or disheveled clothing. Your tools should be neat and orderly. Don't talk to your employer or co workers about your problems. All these things will get you typecaste.
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Zog Zog , keep your head up. You live in a land with such opportunity.

I hope you still read the thread, because despite how harsh some may sound, it really is what you need to hear. @Blazin 's advice above is spot on. Carry yourself better. Make an impression without having to say a word.

I do not have a college degree and absolutely 0 work history in the industry in which I work. Applied for a position as a forklift operator for $12/hr, and 8 years later I am fully supporting my wife and kids while living comfortably with a mortgage and 2 car payments.

And for christ's sake, if you are going to go through staffing agencies, establish contact with the decision maker at the place you're working and cut out the agency ASAP.
 
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Zog said:
Staffing agency informs me there's no free parking around the building and they will get me a parking pass I would just need to pay the first day ($7 a day). I say that's fine and start the next day at 6:45am.

So I wake up and start making my way (it's a 50 mile drive through tolls) and the staffing agency guy calls me at 6:50 and says he's broke down and can't get the tire off and to just head down and meet the captain for safety training and orientation.

4 days go by and I haven't been able to get in touch with the agency at all, no returned phone calls and nobody answers the phone.

I'm now completely broke, I had budgeted making it to Friday for the tolls and gas, not paying $7 a day for parking.

Keep in mind I haven't been able to work and bring in any money for weeks now.

So I call the agency, leave a voicemail and even email them and the fucker calls me at 11am this morning and asks why I wasnt at work...
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I mean this part does seem pretty bad where you just didn't go in to work because you couldn't pay for parking. That's something you just can't do. Whether you have to pawn some shit or beg by the side of the road, not going to work just isn't an option at that point.

Either way, it doesn't sound like you have any kids so I don't get the point of talking down to you like you're hurting anyone and assigning blame really seems to miss the point.

I hope shit gets better for you.
 
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