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hodj · May 22, 2015

And she hasn't responded at all to the court documents, excepting that she's changed her story as Lithose already pointed out earlier in this discussion, from it being rape to it being a situation that made her feel shitty or whatever.

If I gave you the post 8/27 screenshots plus annotations, would you still publish snippets of the earlier conversations in your article? If you publish even a snippet of the earlier conversations without context, it will be out of context, and thus misleading.

I just want to understand one thing. You wrote, "unless of course they contain material that violates the privacy of a third party, which would have to be redacted." Do you just mean that you would have to redact their names? You are unwilling to violate the privacy of a third party, yet you are willing to violate mine? If you are only publishing conversations that you have both parties' consent to publish, I do not give you my consent to publish any of what he has sent you.

Lastly, about your deadline. If I don't get this to you by tonight, you are just going to go ahead and publish what you have? I may need more than a day to complete this. This is not easy work for me. How dare you put a deadline on the moment at which you violate my privacy and carve out my private life in order to gain publicity for your website. I think that is despicable.

hodj · May 22, 2015

Quaid_sl said:
So, did SHE drop the charges against this guy? Or did the judge?

She never filed formal charges with the police at all.

The only formal charges filed by her were with Columbia University, along with her cadre of two buddies, who tried to trump up charges against Nungesser. All these charges were eventually dropped. One of the charges, by a different person, was initially upheld, and then later over turned by the same committee

The charge brought by Josie was the only one on which Nungesser was initially found "responsible," with a sentence of disciplinary probation. But that finding was later overturned; Nungesser's appeal cited various errors and improprieties, including the admission of hearsay, and claimed that the burden of proof-"preponderance of the evidence"-had not been met. When the complaint was referred for a new hearing, Josie decided to withdraw from the process. ( The New York Times article suggested that this was because she had already graduated and was unable to participate, but in fact, Josie had already graduated at the time of the first hearing.) The second hearing cleared Nungesser on that charge as well.

The only formal charges in a court of law filed in this case are by Nungesser against Columbia University.

You heard that right.

None of the supposed rapes were ever taken to police.

hodj · May 22, 2015

http://jezebel.com/how-to-make-an-accused-rapist-look-good-1682583526

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/03/columbia-student-i-didn-t-rape-her.html

Quaid · May 22, 2015

hodj · May 22, 2015

Our friendly neighborhood Moon bat is in total denial and an outright disingenuous hack liar, just like his little mattress carrying Anita wanna be that he so vociferously defends here.

Quaid · May 22, 2015

There were never any fucking charges?

What the fuck?

khalid · May 22, 2015

Btw, even if you don't know who to believe in all this (and really, we should try and maintain some healthy skepticism of his side of the story for sure), it is still fucked up that he was given no legal recourse to stop her harassment of him. The college at least should have stayed out of it and told her that if she really wanted to do something about this, she should AT LEAST file a police complaint.

hodj · May 22, 2015

Quaid_sl said:
There were never any fucking charges?

What the fuck?

Why would she go to the police, when all that would result in is her being charged with filing a false police report when all the evidence came out? She may be stupid, but not so stupid as to not know they'd be subpoening all those documents, all those text messages, interviewing him and her, and getting to the truth of the matter, and the truth of the matter is she fucking begged him to fuck her in the ass, and then changed her story ex post facto.

hodj · May 22, 2015

khalid_sl said:
Btw, even if you don't know who to believe in all this (and really, we should try and maintain some healthy skepticism of his side of the story for sure), it is still fucked up that he was given no legal recourse to stop her harassment of him. The college at least should have stayed out of it and told her that if she really wanted to do something about this, she should AT LEAST file a police complaint.

Yuuuuup

Lithose · May 22, 2015

Tanoomba_sl said:
It is, however, incredibly condescending to jump immediately to "bitch be crazy" every time a rape accusation is made and it turns out there isn't enough proof to back the accusation. If you can understand that it is not uncommon for women to not take immediate action after being raped

No contradiction, Lith, but if you want a cheap ego boost (which your words imply), then "Hoo boy! You sure got me, Lith! Guess I won't be seeing you for a while! Buh-bye then!"

If any of you guys needed proof about why the 2-8% fraud figure in rape accusations was so suspect? One only needs to read Tan's post in this thread. We should all remember, this case? Would actually meet the criteria for positive consent--as we have evidence of consent for the act she said was done without her consent (And we have an obvious consensual relationship before said act). But even in a case with positive consent, and a load of electronic evidence which even a preponderance based inquiry realized made the accusation false? You still have idiots like Tan, who believe--absolutely, this woman can't be lying.

Which is why the only recorded false accusations? Are generally those where there is a confession of fraud AND the person went to the police.

And you're always good for a boost Tan, so thanks. We both know you're trolling, for my own sanity I refuse to believe someone is as dumb as you are--so I'm going to go with that. As far as I'm concerned you're like this funny caricature of SJWs; in all likelihood you're someone who hates them and is making fun of them by portraying them in the worst possible light. So I'm only here helping with your satire, good buddy.

khalid · May 22, 2015

Yep. If texting someone "I want you to do me in the but" before sex occurs isn't enough to make Tanoomba think that most likely it was consentual, I can't think of anything outside of video proof that would make tanoomba doubt a woman's story.

Tanoomba · May 22, 2015

Lith: "If any of you guys needed proof about why the 2-8% fraud figure in rape accusations was so suspect? One only needs to read Tan's post in this thread. We should all remember, this case? Would actually meet the criteria for positive consent--as we have evidence of consent for the act she said was done without her consent (And we have an obvious consensual relationship before said act). But even in a case with positive consent, and a load of electronic evidence which even a preponderance based inquiry realized made the accusation false? You still have idiots like Tan, who believe--absolutely, this woman can't be lying."

What? Can you show me where I said she can't be lying? I'd love to see it. My position is (and has always been) that the "bitch be crazy" defense is NOWHERE NEAR the "slam dunk" that so many posters here (and many MRA members, sheerly coincidentally) seem to think it is. I'm the moderate here, in case you haven't noticed. But the nice part is I know I've apparently struck a chord since your (apparently frequent) responses to me exclusively attack positions I haven't taken. It's not he first time I've seen this, but I still consider it a significant achievement. And here I thought you were getting the ego boosts.

Also... wait. Where do we have evidence for "obvious consent"? I guess I missed that. I mean, I certainly know that they had a close and sexual relationship before the alleged rape, but nobody's ever been raped by someone they trusted before, right?

Finally, hmmm... apparently my logic has gotten good enough not to contradict myself in a single thought? I thought you weren't posting again here otherwise? Or do you just regularly say shit you don't mean?

hodj · May 22, 2015

My position is (and has always been) that the "bitch be crazy" defense is NOWHERE NEAR the "slam dunk" that so many posters here (and many MRA members, sheerly coincidentally) seem to think it is.

Yes, it is actually. She pmed him and asked him to fuck her in the ass and he was hesitant and she coerced him to do it, then claimed he raped her. Then carried around a mattress for two years on campus as a protest and art exhibit.

No matter how much you try to ignore this fact, it does not go away. It is reality.

Bitch be fucking crazy. Hence the mattress fiasco as a result.

Quaid · May 22, 2015

What is a 'MRA member'? Is it a club? Do they have decoder rings?

khalid · May 22, 2015

Men's Rights activist. Basically the other side of the coin of SJW, think everything is the fault of women and women are all evil/whores/etc. Tanoomba and Itzena like to claim everyone who disagrees with them are MRAs, when most of us totally shit on the MRA thread advocates also (Dumar, Antarius, etc).

Quaid · May 22, 2015

Oh I know what an MRA is and what some people think they are.

I just thought Tanoomba would be above using terms like that. Terms used to lump people together with vaguely similar beliefs or concerns, which then makes them easier to demonize and hate. See, 'Men's Rights Activists' tend to get lumped together with Pickup Artists and Misogynists whenever certain groups feel threatened by one of their ideas. It's a cheap tactic for the weak minded. Just because one is concerned with certain men's issues does not make one automatically a woman hater. There is no club. There are no conditions of 'membership'. No codified belief set.

What about the concern for the incarceration rates of men implies hated for women? The life-expectancy gap? The over use of Ritalin on our young boys, and the circumcision of the even younger? Why if I'm concerned about post secondary engagement of young men, am I labeled a misogynist? What does any of that have to do with women?

Oh, that's right. MRA's are a 'hate group'. All of them are guilty because some people who share some of their beliefs are guilty.

I know where I've heard this before.

Lithose · May 22, 2015

Tanoomba_sl said:
Finally, hmmm... apparently my logic has gotten good enough not to contradict myself in a single thought? I thought you weren't posting again here otherwise? Or do you just regularly say shit you don't mean?

Huh? I said you deserved to be here until your logic stopped sucking; and when you could finish a thought without contradicting yourself, you could come debate me in other threads. I'll always happily stop in and use you for satirical hilarity.

Tanoomba · May 22, 2015

Quaid: "I just thought Tanoomba would be above using terms like that. Terms used to lump people together with vaguely similar beliefs or concerns, which then makes them easier to demonize and hate. See, 'Men's Rights Activists' tend to get lumped together with Pickup Artists and Misogynists whenever certain groups feel threatened by one of their ideas. It's a cheap tactic for the weak minded. Just because one is concerned with certain men's issues does not make one automatically a woman hater. There is no club. There are no conditions of 'membership'. No codified belief set."

No, you're totally right, I'll give you that. It was totally shitty of me to make that association. But what I was actually trying to get across was that several of the most visible sources of information about this story are from overtly biased sites, which I thought you were against. And those views are the ones very eagerly associated with by several posters on this board. I guess I chose a shitty way to get that across. Wouldn't be the first time.

Quaid · May 22, 2015

Thanks. Just so we're clear, Dumar is a massive fuckhead as with most other PUA/RedPillers I've come across

Tanoomba · May 22, 2015

Lith: "Huh? I said you deserved to be here until your logic stopped sucking; and when you could finish a thought without contradicting yourself, you could come debate me in other threads. I'll always happily stop in and use you for satirical hilarity."

Ah! So you did. I guess I didn't recognize it that way since I'm not currently considering the possibility of posting where I'm guaranteed to trigger a bitchfest. Better to rule in Hell and all that jazz...

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