The Tanoubliette: Pussy Hurt and Delusions or TTPHAD for short.

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Agraza: "Rape is today what sexual harassment was yesterday. It's a real problem, but people are trying to cash in on the heightened awareness/acceptance of the problem."

Seems to me like the media is trying to cash in on the public's insatiable appetite for false rape accusations.
wait are you saying that rolling stone purposefully went looking for a false rape accusation?
 

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http://jezebel.com/i-am-not-a-pretty-little-liar-1705996719

Article by one of Nungesser's other accusers (the one he was found responsible for sexually assaulting, before appealing and winning once the accuser decided not to pursue it any further). Just a little more perspective in case anyone was interested.
 

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Seems to me like the media is trying to cash in on the public's insatiable appetite for false rape accusations.
was rolling stone trying to cash in on false rape accusations? or was that sentance you said retarded?
 

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http://jezebel.com/i-am-not-a-pretty-little-liar-1705996719

Article by one of Nungesser's other accusers (the one he was found responsible for sexually assaulting, before appealing and winning once the accuser decided not to pursue it any further). Just a little more perspective in case anyone was interested.
this article reads like a bullshit artist with every excuse in the book wrote it.
 

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Every time it's suggested a woman may have falsely accused a man of rape, there is a field day at Rerolled (and certainly elsewhere). Dunham, Sulkowicz, Cosby, Rolling Stone, etc. There are people here who squeal with delight when they get to go off on another rant about how terrible the world is now that crazy, lying bitches are trying to ruin men's lives everywhere.

The media knows this, so they are eager and willing to feature controversial, (sometimes) non-conclusive stories to stoke the flames and get more clicks. They know that, just like GamerGate, there is heavy polarization in how rape stories are viewed. The "with us or against us" attitudes of the public ensure that salacious stories get tons of attention.

Is any of this news?
So... the media... is attempting to cash in on rerolled's insatiable appetite for rape hoaxes? And rerolled, you're asserting, is representative of the public at large?

As fucking retarded as your response was, I'd still like examples of rape hoaxes that started out in the media narrative as such, rather than starting as rape accusations thought to be legitimate. Try not to dodge that one again please. I'm super excited to see your response.
 

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You never cease to amaze me Tan. The two positions in regards to mattress girl telling the truth clearly aren't on equal footing. Even if I grant you that everything about the case doesn't prove what nungesser is saying, there is literally no way to interpret it that bolsters her case. The only thing you can do is interpret it in such a way that it doesn't prove she's a liar.

Of course you'll never acknowledge this because your ego depends on fence riding superiority and your "lol most likely scenario" bullshit.
 

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A moon bat still can't get his facts right

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/03/columbia-student-i-didn-t-rape-her.html

The Bwog story also says that the third accuser, whom it identifies by the pseudonym "Josie," decided to bring a complaint after "a mutual friend" of hers and Nungesser's told her he had been named in a sexual-assault complaint. The article provides no clue as to the identity of this friend. But Nungesser says that at the hearing on Josie's charge, the ADP officer who had sought to have him expelled from the society openly admitted that she had encouraged Josie to come forward.

Nungesser's claim about the ADP officer's testimony is confirmed by Michael Roberson (not his real name), who attended the hearing as his official supporter. Columbia rules allow both parties in a sexual-assault case to have a "supporter" from the university community who assists them in a quasi-advocacy capacity; Roberson, then a graduate student who had no prior acquaintance with Nungesser, took on this role as part of his service in a mentoring program for undergraduates. Currently an academic consultant living in his native England, he was interviewed for this article by video call. While he now believes that the charges against Nungesser are "completely false," he stresses that he "did not have that impression going in" and undertook the task simply out of commitment to due process for those accused of offenses.

The charge brought by Josie was the only one on which Nungesser was initially found "responsible," with a sentence of disciplinary probation. But that finding was later overturned; Nungesser's appeal cited various errors and improprieties, including the admission of hearsay, and claimed that the burden of proof-"preponderance of the evidence"-had not been met. When the complaint was referred for a new hearing, Josie decided to withdraw from the process. (The New York Times article suggested that this was because she had already graduated and was unable to participate, but in fact, Josie had already graduated at the time of the first hearing.) The second hearing cleared Nungesser on that charge as well.

Nungesser has always staunchly denied that anything happened between him and Josie; he says he attended the party but never followed her upstairs and certainly never groped her or tried to kiss her, and that the accusation was a ploy to get him kicked out of ADP. As evidence that Josie was not uncomfortable around him, he offers a screenshot of a Jan. 29, 2013, email that he says she sent in response to his request on the ADP listserv to open the door if a package for him arrived in his absence. In the email, Josie not only offers a "friendly PSA" that the package can be left in the vestibule if he signs for by leaving a note on the front door, but makes a ribald joke: "People are usually pretty good about bringing in packages if they're sitting there, so unless you're waiting for a golden dildo or something equally expensive (?) it's usually worth it." (Josie declined to be interviewed for this article or to comment on the authenticity of the email.)
His appeal cited multiple problems with the original finding, and then the stupid bitch realized she was caught and refused to partipate in the second trial as a result. The New York Times claimed it was because she had graduated already, therefore "couldn't" participate, but that's flatly false. As Daily Beast points out in above quoted second, she had already graduated before the FIRST trial occurred.

Further, he wasn't found guilty of sexual assault, and was only slapped with a disciplinary probation in the first case, a far lesser punishment than he would receive for a conviction of rape in a University setting.

Basically he was found guilty of like sexual harassment type behavior (supposedly groping and kissing a girl at a party), and that charge was fabricated by this third accuser, who was encouraged by the ADP officer to file the charge, so they could kick him out of the fraternity and therefore preserve their image/protect the fraternity from any repercussions at the University, such as having their frat shut down for a number of years.

The whole thing was a fucking freight train of bullshit, basically.
 

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Jesus fuck are we so pampered a people that drunkenly trying to kiss/grope another person is called 'sexual assault'? Situations like that need to be resolved in a court room, rather than by the parties involved?
 

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Well, it was never taken to an actual legal court, it was all done through Columbia U. If he had actually engaged in this behavior, I might see the point of taking him to University tribunal over the behavior, it is inappropriate.

But the fact that she didn't come forward until coerced by friends and people in leadership at the fraternity seems to indicate she's making it up.
 

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Oh a school tribunal... whew. The word 'trial' was used so I assumed it happened in an actual court.

Still, calm the fuck down. If that's the definition of sexual assault, I got assaulted almost every weekend when I was single & bar hopping.
 

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It is confusing the way all the articles call it a trial, but really, none of this has gone to actual legal arenas except Nungessar's lawsuit, which is in the actual, real, legal courts.
 

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Quaid: "So... the media... is attempting to cash in on rerolled's insatiable appetite for rape hoaxes? And rerolled, you're asserting, is representative of the public at large?"

Christ I hope not, but they are certainly representative of the current crop of "angry irrational assholes" (AIAs) who have tremendous power and are extremely vocal and active in their causes (bombarding Sarkeesian with personal attacks, boycotting advertisers of sites they don't like, giving Protein World a boost in sales, etc). They also REALLY love (perceived) false rape accusation cases.

Quaid: "As fucking retarded as your response was, I'd still like examples of rape hoaxes that started out in the media narrative as such, rather than starting as rape accusations thought to be legitimate. Try not to dodge that one again please. I'm super excited to see your response."

What? Where did I dictate what the media narrative was? I said that rape stories generate clicks, ESPECIALLY when there is a suggestion that rape accusations might be false. The suggestion doesn't even have to come from the media. There are plenty of AIAs more than happy to come to those conclusions on their own, available evidence be damned, and the media still profit from the added attention and controversy.
 

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Quaid: "Jesus fuck are we so pampered a people that drunkenly trying to kiss/grope another person is called 'sexual assault'?"

I'm not sure if you're being serious here. What would you call it?
 

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Quaid: "Jesus fuck are we so pampered a people that drunkenly trying to kiss/grope another person is called 'sexual assault'?"

I'm not sure if you're being serious here. What would you call it?
An awkward moment every adult should be able to handle without the aide of agents of the state. But that sounds too cumbersome. Oh, I've got it.

'Life'.
 

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Quaid: "So... the media... is attempting to cash in on rerolled's insatiable appetite for rape hoaxes? And rerolled, you're asserting, is representative of the public at large?"

Christ I hope not, but they are certainly representative of the current crop of "angry irrational assholes" (AIAs) who have tremendous power and are extremely vocal and active in their causes (bombarding Sarkeesian with personal attacks, boycotting advertisers of sites they don't like, giving Protein World a boost in sales, etc). They also REALLY love (perceived) false rape accusation cases.

Quaid: "As fucking retarded as your response was, I'd still like examples of rape hoaxes that started out in the media narrative as such, rather than starting as rape accusations thought to be legitimate. Try not to dodge that one again please. I'm super excited to see your response."

What? Where did I dictate what the media narrative was? I said that rape stories generate clicks, ESPECIALLY when there is a suggestion that rape accusations might be false. The suggestion doesn't even have to come from the media. There are plenty of AIAs more than happy to come to those conclusions on their own, available evidence be damned, and the media still profit from the added attention and controversy.
You said the public has an insatiable appetite for rape hoax stories. I'd like you to back up that claim. I'd like examples of rape hoaxes that were presented as such from the time they gained widespread media attention from an 'insatiable' public. I'm not talking about stories of rape allegations that turned out to be lies, I'm talking about media stories that started out as focused on a hoax itself, that was intended to feed this supposed huge appetite we all have to watch young women lie about rape.
 

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Quaid: "An awkward moment every adult should be able to handle without the aide of agents of the state. But that sounds too cumbersome. Oh, I've got it.

'Life'."


"The incident happened my junior year at Columbia, when Paul followed me upstairs at a party, came into a room with me uninvited, closed the door behind us, and grabbed me. I politely said, ?Hey, no, come on, let?s go back downstairs.? He didn?t listen. He held me close to him as I said no, and continued to pull me against him. I pushed him off and left the room quickly."

So, being followed into a room, grabbed and pulled towards someone against your will, and forced to push that person off you when they ignore your protests is just 'life'. Just an awkward moment, guys. Chill out.

Kind of reminds me of Cad's "Having a dick in you isn't the end of the world" comment.

I suggest that going out of your way to intentionally piss someone off is not productive and I get blasted with "terrorist apologist" labels. Would you like to take a guess what kind of backlash would occur if someone called you a "rape apologist"? Think about it.
 

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"I wondered if what had happened between me and Paul was really sexual assault: there was no penetration, I had no bruises, I got away."
 
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