fanaskin
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light has no rest mass, it has a force that it can impart that's measured comparable to an exceedingly tiny amount of mass, but it has no mass itself.
The 'Yet Another Mass Murder' Thread
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Because according to Relativity, E=Mc^2, matter and energy are interchangeable. Light and photons are nothing more than a packet of energy.
You cannot stop a photon and still have it exist; stop it and it deposits its energy and vanishes.
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Ambiturner
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It's really just semantics. Mass is usually referring to "rest mass". Photons have no rest mass, but they also have no rest state so you can't really separate them. But yes, it's all from the energy and not the photon itself
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Yeah, Im sure Carolla was being super productive in the late 70s/80s when he was a kid.
Olscratch
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WHOA
Our gun murder rate is on top though for reasons that are completely understood by thinking people.
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Its clearly because we dont have enough guns for people to protect themselves with yet.
Vaclav
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On HP bullets, my bad apparently when I was learning to hunt as a kid I just happened to live in the only state that banned them (NJ) - assumed it was universal after the Black Talon issue caused them to stop selling.
And murders/gun deaths != shootings. That's part one of making a valid argument when it comes to stats.
People care about being shot and injured almost as much as being killed, tons of other survivable injuries we try to curb - so gun shot injuries should be treated similarly. Otherwise ignore all injury risks equally.
And murders/gun deaths != shootings. That's part one of making a valid argument when it comes to stats.
People care about being shot and injured almost as much as being killed, tons of other survivable injuries we try to curb - so gun shot injuries should be treated similarly. Otherwise ignore all injury risks equally.
Vaclav
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Its not just school shootings though, its gun violence as a whole in this country.
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Because suicides, justified shootings, and gang violence are all counted, skewing the number to fit your flawed version of reality?Yeah it's actually falling in all industrialized countries.
Our gun murder rate is on top though for reasons that are completely understood by thinking people.
Vaclav
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Correct, but khalid is trying say to not focus on outliers I believe, which is the right way to evaluate it. Extreme cases suck and are good for attention but their value in determining the norm is limited at best and detrimental/inaccurate at worst.
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Except no one cares about it unless its a mass shooting. So the thing driving the talk of legislation is trying to stop mass shootings.
If we really want to do something about gun violence, we would need to focus on what is causing such violence in the inner cities like Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis, etc. Now gun bans might have some effect. However, bringing prosperity to these areas and stopping the silly drug war would probably do more.
Also, Vaclav, I thought overall violent crime was down in the US and has been on the decline? Not just homicides. Could very well be wrong. Certainly I have trouble trusting what police departments would report (maybe because I watched the Wire too much).
Vaclav
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Because partial statistics don't give a different view. Not to mention things like suicide rates in nations with fewer guns tend have a much lower success rate. (for obvious reasons)
Honestly all gun INCIDENTS is the larger value in discussion anyhow.
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Well, I think it is important to keep suicides separate also, as I see them as fundamentally different than an act of violence against others.
However, that is easier said than done. For example, black suicide rates are much lower than whites. Some people have done studies showing that some gun violence ends up being "suicide by cop" or "suicide by proxy" or whatever you want to call it amongst blacks. Where apparently white guys just shoot themselves (or do a mass school shooting heh). Freakonomics podcast on suicide had an interesting section on that.
However, that is easier said than done. For example, black suicide rates are much lower than whites. Some people have done studies showing that some gun violence ends up being "suicide by cop" or "suicide by proxy" or whatever you want to call it amongst blacks. Where apparently white guys just shoot themselves (or do a mass school shooting heh). Freakonomics podcast on suicide had an interesting section on that.
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Chukzombi
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whenever these threads pop up, people should realize that 9/11 did not involve any guns. no planes were hijacked at gunpoint. and these shootings always seem to happen in places with strict gun laws. any time you restrict somebody from having something the more they will want it and wont know what to do when they have it because they have no context on how they should act.