The Zionists are whining thread

The Ancient_sl · Sep 2, 2014

Frenzied Wombat_sl said:
Your average Israeli no longer sees a path to viable peace. They see an increasingly hostile Muslim world with no precedent for peaceful co-habitation with ones neighbors. Yet somehow the world expects Palestinians to "buck the world trend of stomping your non muslim infidel neighbors", even though the "government" Israel is expected to negotiate with is basically ISIS Lite, admitting a few weeks back they were in fact responsible for the kidnapping/murder of those three teens. Then, if you're watching Israeli TV, you get a guided tour of all those tunnels exiting right outside day care facilities in the south, and again the top concern on your mind becomes security. If you're an Israeli, your gambit of trading security for peace occurred in Gaza in 2006 with the unilateral withdrawal, and that fat olive branch of peace resulted in Hamas being voted in and INCREASING violence and threats against Israel. The effort to get a majority Knesset vote to support that Israeli withdrawal in 2006 took huge political effort and was a major debate amongst Israelis, with The Right warning that land/governance appeasement would not get Israel peace. They were overwhelmingly correct of course, which is why Likud is in power today. Israel will continue to try to forge some form of peace with Fatah, but the reality now is that Israel no longer believes that Palestinians really want peace, and those that do, even if voted in, can't be trusted to control their more violent factions.. Same tribal/factional bullshit reasons why the rest of the Arab world can't seem to live in peace either.

Not taking land in the West Bank is now land/governance appeasement? Weren't you making some argument in this thread about how West Bank wasn't getting shit on by Isreal because they were behaving and Gaza was all Hamas' fault?

Frenzied Wombat · Sep 2, 2014

satael_sl said:
The timing might have something to do with the west having their hands full with Ukraine and ISIS at the moment (so stuff like this won't be much of a story in the western media).

Nah, leftist media is practically rabid for anything anti-Israel. This land grab was front page headline CNN news for a few hours yesterday. It is basically "punishment" for the murder of those three teens that Hamas fervently denied killing throughout this whole conflict (claiming Israel was using it as pretext), but the cat was let out of the bag a few weeks ago when one of Hamas' leadership accidentally admitted that they did it on Palestinian TV.

Tuco · Sep 2, 2014

Frenzied Wombat_sl said:
Your average Israeli no longer sees a path to viable peace. They see an increasingly hostile Muslim world with no precedent for peaceful co-habitation with ones neighbors. Yet somehow the world expects Palestinians to "buck the world trend of stomping your non muslim infidel neighbors", even though the "government" Israel is expected to negotiate with is basically ISIS Lite, admitting a few weeks back they were in fact responsible for the kidnapping/murder of those three teens. Then, if you're watching Israeli TV, you get a guided tour of all those tunnels exiting right outside day care facilities in the south, and again the top concern on your mind becomes security. If you're an Israeli, your gambit of trading security for peace occurred in Gaza in 2006 with the unilateral withdrawal, and that fat olive branch of peace resulted in Hamas being voted in and INCREASING violence and threats against Israel. The effort to get a majority Knesset vote to support that Israeli withdrawal in 2006 took huge political effort and was a major debate amongst Israelis, with The Right warning that land/governance appeasement would not get Israel peace. They were overwhelmingly correct of course, which is why Likud is in power today. Israel will continue to try to forge some form of peace with Fatah, but the reality now is that Israel no longer believes that Palestinians really want peace, and those that do, even if voted in, can't be trusted to control their more violent factions.. Same tribal/factional bullshit reasons why the rest of the Arab world can't seem to live in peace either.

Honestly you'd have more credibility if you just called a spade a spade. I haven't seen any real justification for why they are grabbing this land. Was the land used for terrorist attacks against Israel? Or is it just opportunism?

Frenzied Wombat · Sep 2, 2014

The Ancient_sl said:
Not taking land in the West Bank is now land/governance appeasement? Weren't you making some argument in this thread about how West Bank wasn't getting shit on by Isreal because they were behaving and Gaza was all Hamas' fault?

West Bank doesn't get shit on from military incursions, airstrikes, and ground ops because they don't launch rockets or stage suicide bombings, though ironically the latter is more of a result of the security barrier than any lack of desire on Hamas' part. In regards to the West Bank being punished for Hamas' acts, well one, Hamas and Fatah announced a reconciliation to form a unity coalition, and 2nd the teens were found dead in the West Bank. Fatah allows Hamas (and Islamic Jihad) to operate in the West Bank and happily cheered along at the kidnapping/murder. The entire kidnapping operation was staged out of the West Bank.

fanaskin · Sep 2, 2014

They took some suburbs land, which is consistent to what they've been doing in the West Bank, building suburb communities and denying Palestinians travel within the West Bank with highways they can't use continuing an apparent strategy of bisecting the West Bank to try and diminish the culture/will of that group of Palestinians. Bisecting the West Bank into quadrants with highways Palestinians can't use is kinda obvious what they are doing.

Frenzied Wombat · Sep 2, 2014

Tuco_sl said:
Honestly you'd have more credibility if you just called a spade a spade. I haven't seen any real justification for why they are grabbing this land. Was the land used for terrorist attacks against Israel? Or is it just opportunism?

I am calling a spade a spade. It's a dumb move no matter how you look at it. From a PR standpoint it's dumb-- trading 1.5 miles of land for negative publicity doesn't make sense, and the marginal security it provides still isn't worth it. In terms of "retribution" for the killing of the teens, it also doesn't accomplish anything that balances the "gains". It's 1.5 shitty miles of land.. I'm just saying that no matter what Israel does, they'll get condemned anyways, and they're mostly at wits end over armchair generals all over the world giving them shit no matter what they do.

Frenzied Wombat · Sep 2, 2014

Opinion/rhetoric portions of the article aside, here are some factual details on that particular parcel of land. I still think the move was dumb, buying marginal security in exchange for a larger loss in PR, but this particular area isn't some Pally owned enclave being 'dozed.

BBC News report on land and again hampers audience understanding | BBC Watch
The Israeli "Land Grab" and Hopes for Peace Commentary Magazine

Neither are audiences informed that the land in question is located in Area C which, according to the terms of the Oslo Accords signed willingly by the internationally recognized representatives of the Palestinian people, is under Israeli administration with that including zoning and planning. The fact that those same Oslo Accords do not place any limitations on either Israeli or Palestinian building projects in Areas A, B and C is also not clarified to readers. Likewise, BBC audiences are not made aware of the fact that the area in question is part of the Gush Etzion district which, according to any realistic scenario of an agreement between Israel and the PA, would remain under Israeli control ? as previous attempts to reach a negotiated settlement have shown.

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One is that it is just south of Jerusalem and requires no great manipulation of the map. It guards the southern flank of Israel?s capital and the area containing 22 Jewish communities with over 70,000 living there can be retained while leaving Bethlehem inside a putative Palestinian state.

But this land is also significant because, contrary to the narrative in which Jews are portrayed as ?stealing? Arab land, Gush Etzion was actually populated and owned by Jews not only prior to 1967 but also prior to Israel?s War of Independence. Gush Etzion was a bloc of Jewish settlements that was overrun by Jordanian army units and local Palestinians after a bitterly contested siege. Its inhabitants were either massacred or taken prisoner and their homes and farms destroyed. As such, it was the first land to be reclaimed for Jewish settlement after the 1967 war put it back in Israeli hands.

Frenzied Wombat · Sep 9, 2014

"Hey guys, remember those tunnels that led Israel to flatten a good chunk of Gaza? Well, we're building more!"

MEMRI: Palestinian Islamic Jihad Digs New Tunnels in Gaza

chthonic-anemos · Oct 20, 2015

Frenzied Wombat · Oct 20, 2015

chthonic-anemos_sl said:

You really necro this thread? Everybody thought that guy was one of the terrorists that just sprayed that bus station with bullets, killing 2 and injuring 10-- so no kidding he got lynched.

chthonic-anemos · Oct 20, 2015

That's what he gets for waving a gun around.

Lendarios · Oct 20, 2015

Frenzied Wombat_sl said:
You really necro this thread? Everybody thought that guy was one of the terrorists that just sprayed that bus station with bullets, killing 2 and injuring 10-- so no kidding he got lynched.

You are not at least remorseful that he was killed because of his appearance.

Netanyahu: No one will take law into their own hands - CNN.comlook at how he was gunned down.

chthonic-anemos_sl said:
That's what he gets for waving a gun around.

What gun?

Frenzied Wombat · Oct 20, 2015

lendarios;1270398 said:
You are not at least remorseful that he was killed because of his appearance.

Netanyahu: No one will take law into their own hands - CNN.comlook at how he was gunned down.

I like how there have been over 30 stabbings and attempted stabbings of Israelis over the last few weeks by rabid Palestinians incited by Abbas over the false claim that "filthy Jews" are "setting foot" in their Sky Fairy temple, yet the focus is on this innocent person that got gunned down in the frenzy. They thought he was the bad guy. Happens every day all over the US. He got gunned down and the lynch mob that is sick of living in fear of daily stabbings beat the crap out of him . . Whether it's really RACISMZ of not, who the fuck knows-- they all thought he was a terrorist..

Lendarios · Oct 20, 2015

Even Nentayahu is somewhat acknowledging how wrong it was. You on the other hand are justifying it. When even Nentayahu is sounding more civil than you, then you must be really extreme.

Frenzied Wombat · Oct 20, 2015

lendarios_sl said:
Even Nentayahu is somewhat acknowledging how wrong it was. You on the other hand are justifying it. When even Nentayahu is sounding more civil than you, then you must be really extreme.

Retard, what's the confusion? Is it ok for a mob to take justice into their own hands and beat a suspected terrorist? No, it isn't. Is it understandable considering the circumstances? Yes, it is. You're the moron who made the bold and unfounded feelz statement that it was racially motivated. And of course Netenyahu is going to condemn it-- that's what responsible governments do when addressing incidents of mob justice.

But I'm sure it's typical of you to focus on the tragedy that was an innocent accidentally getting killed in a firefight, and the guilt/racism of his supposed attackers, rather than focusing on the terrorists that precipitated the whole tragedy in the first place.

Big Phoenix · Oct 21, 2015

No it isnt understandable.

Xequecal · Oct 21, 2015

And why did they think he was the bad guy? He wasn't armed and he wasn't even Arab. They simply assumed he must me bad because he was black. I mean, there was ten white people wounded on the ground that didnt get mobbed.

The fact is, they thought he was the bad guy because the xenophobic nationalism in Israel has gotten to the point that see anyone who looks remotely different as "the enemy" now. Black people are the enemy. Hispanics are the enemy. Asians are the enemy. Fucking Europe is the enemy. To them, literally even non-Jew on the planet with the possible exception of white people in the US and Canada are the enemy.

Cad · Oct 21, 2015

Xequecal_sl said:
And why did they think he was the bad guy? He wasn't armed and he wasn't even Arab. They simply assumed he must me bad because he was black. I mean, there was ten white people wounded on the ground that didnt get mobbed.

The fact is, they thought he was the bad guy because the xenophobic nationalism in Israel has gotten to the point that see anyone who looks remotely different as "the enemy" now. Black people are the enemy. Hispanics are the enemy. Asians are the enemy. Fucking Europe is the enemy. To them, literally even non-Jew on the planet with the possible exception of white people in the US and Canada are the enemy.

99% of the time they're probably right.

khalid · Oct 21, 2015

Xequecal_sl said:
The fact is, they thought he was the bad guy because the xenophobic nationalism in Israel has gotten to the point that see anyone who looks remotely different as "the enemy" now. Black people are the enemy. Hispanics are the enemy. Asians are the enemy. Fucking Europe is the enemy. To them, literally even non-Jew on the planet with the possible exception of white people in the US and Canada are the enemy.

You are a fucking idiot.

This was obviously a case of mistaken identity and sucks that an innocent got killed. Yet it clearly was a mistake and isn't some universal xenophobic nationalism in Israel. Get a fucking grip.

Frenzied Wombat · Oct 21, 2015

Xequecal_sl said:
And why did they think he was the bad guy? He wasn't armed and he wasn't even Arab. They simply assumed he must me bad because he was black. I mean, there was ten white people wounded on the ground that didnt get mobbed.

The fact is, they thought he was the bad guy because the xenophobic nationalism in Israel has gotten to the point that see anyone who looks remotely different as "the enemy" now. Black people are the enemy. Hispanics are the enemy. Asians are the enemy. Fucking Europe is the enemy. To them, literally even non-Jew on the planet with the possible exception of white people in the US and Canada are the enemy.

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