Thor: Love and Thunder (2021)

Gavinmad · May 25, 2022

Rajaah said:
I believe you, but after I watch it (or more likely have it on as background noise while I work) I'll at least be able to follow discussions about it. Definitely a lot more enthusiastic for Moon Knight though.

I follow conversations about Ep 8, 9, and Solo just fine without having watched them. And honestly, I think I'd rather sit through those three movies than re-watch F&WS. Don't watch it just so you can chat about how bad it is.

Chukzombi · May 25, 2022

Gavinmad said:
I follow conversations about Ep 8, 9, and Solo just fine without having watched them. And honestly, I think I'd rather sit through those three movies than re-watch F&WS. Don't watch it just so you can chat about how bad it is.

its the worst TV show ive ever watched all the episodes of. i thought it would get better somehow, it just kept getting worse and i kept getting more disgusted

Gavinmad · May 25, 2022

I'd rather rewatch Season 1 of the Shannara Chronicles.

Or maybe I'd rather die than rewatch either of them. The point is F&WS is that bad.

Chukzombi · May 25, 2022

maybe if we spoil the show he wont watch it. ok here is the spoiler. Cap is elsewhere, maybe on the Moon. so they hand his shield to some super serum dork who takes it super serious and ends up roid rage murdering a terrorist hopped up on Super Serum, he does it on facebook live or something so now he looks like a bad guy and then they take away his Cap2.0 status and give it over to Falcon who has no super powers, cant get a loan for his shrimping boat business because he black and sides with the terrorist leader who is a PoC and he even was a smug enough asshole to call everyone a racist for not kissing the asses of the terrorists, even after they tried to kill everyone. also, Bucky is now a guilt ridden pussy wimp who apologizes for being white as well as apologizing for Cap who wasnt even there. it all ends with Cap Falcon flying away in his pimped out flying suit with Cap's shield. still no powers.

Ambiturner · May 25, 2022

Rajaah said:
Regardless, you have a point here. To try and debunk your point we have to get into the weeds of what constitutes a villain or not. The black lady in Loki isn't a villain, she's just a TVA agent doing her job. And literally every non-white-man villain in the MCU has quickly turned out to mean well and join the heroes. Adversary doesn't mean villain, like you said. There have been a bunch of adversaries who were non-white-men over the MCU but I challenge anyone to name a single one who was actually evil or irredeemable like most of the main villains have been. The only possible answer I can think of is Killmonger and he was, as you said, given an out with his backstory explaining why he was the way he was and how his goals were on some level actually noble in their own way. Edit: Oh yeah, and Mordo. I guess there's that one.

Kang the Conqueror would be the first really vicious/dangerous/evil non-white-man antagonist in the MCU...and I'm pretty sure he'll just end up being blue anyway.

It might not be high on my list of concerns, but people who point these things out aren't exactly wrong. It's framing things a certain way for a mass audience and I'm not sure if their motivations are entirely altruistic, as opposed to the pushing of a certain undermining ideology that's been making the rounds.

You know I'm talking about the Judge Renslayer and not the Queen Latifah security guard, right?

Even after learning the TVA was a lie she still betrayed Owen Wilson and pruned Loki.

She's very clearly a villain

Rajaah · May 25, 2022

Chukzombi said:
maybe if we spoil the show he wont watch it. ok here is the spoiler. Cap is elsewhere, maybe on the Moon. so they hand his shield to some super serum dork who takes it super serious and ends up roid rage murdering a terrorist hopped up on Super Serum, he does it on facebook live or something so now he looks like a bad guy and then they take away his Cap2.0 status and give it over to Falcon who has no super powers, cant get a loan for his shrimping boat business because he black and sides with the terrorist leader who is a PoC and he even was a smug enough asshole to call everyone a racist for not kissing the asses of the terrorists, even after they tried to kill everyone. also, Bucky is now a guilt ridden pussy wimp who apologizes for being white as well as apologizing for Cap who wasnt even there. it all ends with Cap Falcon flying away in his pimped out flying suit with Cap's shield. still no powers.

So you're saying that the New Captain America, the white guy, is portrayed as a bad guy, and then quickly replaced?

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Ambiturner Oh okay, I thought it was the guard. Totally forgot about the judge.

Chukzombi · May 25, 2022

Rajaah said:
So you're saying that the New Captain America, the white guy, is portrayed as a bad guy, and then quickly replaced?

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Ambiturner Oh okay, I thought it was the guard. Totally forgot about the judge.

he's Cap for maybe a few months and at the end becomes US Agent or something dumb for Elaine from Seinfeld who everyone says is Madame Hydra.

Sanrith Descartes · May 25, 2022

wormie said:
No

They need to do a fan edit of the show and make it just scenes with Bucky and Zemo.

Sanrith Descartes · May 25, 2022

Rajaah said:
Yeah, I still have Moon Knight and What If to check out. I'll probably also watch F+WS with low expectations just to complete the set. I like both of those characters under normal circumstances. Have like two more weeks of D+ so I might as well.

This is the only thing you need to watch in F&WS

Void · May 25, 2022

Gavinmad said:
I'd rather rewatch Season 1 of the Shannara Chronicles.

Or maybe I'd rather die than rewatch either of them. The point is F&WS is that bad.

If you can turn off the sound on Shannara that's an easy one, because at least you'd get to watch the fucking hotties on that show.

wormie · May 25, 2022

I watched season 2 of Shannara. I wouldn’t watch season 2 of jogger captain pigeon.

Izo · May 25, 2022

Void said:
If you can turn off the sound on Shannara that's an easy one, because at least you'd get to watch the fucking hotties on that show.

wormie said:
I watched season 2 of Shannara. I wouldn’t watch season 2 of jogger captain pigeon.

That show looks so gay. I seem to recall a book series? Can only remember Dragonlance Chronicles atm.

Void · May 25, 2022

Izo said:
That show looks so gay. I seem to recall a book series? Can only remember Dragonlance Chronicles atm.

Interesting. When I google "fucking hotties" I end up with bobs and vagenes. I guess your algorithm has learned differently than mine.

wormie · May 25, 2022

Izo said:
That show looks so gay. I seem to recall a book series? Can only remember Dragonlance Chronicles atm.

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And yes, there were books. Many, many books all of which had nothing to do with the show.

Gavinmad · May 25, 2022

Poppy Drayton and Ivana Baquero. and whoever Baquero is lezzing it up with in that scene I don't recognize which is probably from S2.

The books really have nothing to do with it, the show follows the books about as closely as the WWZ movie did.

Xexx · May 25, 2022

Gorr is interesting, in some shots he looks like Christian Bale in makeup, in some he actually looks like a villain. I somewhat feel this is Marvel fucking with us like when Tomm Holland was at the statue of liberty solo when in fact the other 2 were on the same scene.

Ambiturner · May 25, 2022

Xexx said:
Gorr is interesting, in some shots he looks like Christian Bale in makeup, in some he actually looks like a villain. I somewhat feel this is Marvel fucking with us like when Tomm Holland was at the statue of liberty solo when in fact the other 2 were on the same scene.

Not revealing something about the plot is different than intentionally making your product look shitty

Harshaw · May 25, 2022

Thing is if they went full on comic book Gorr, people would compare him to Voldemort.

Chukzombi · May 25, 2022

Harshaw said:
Thing is if they went full on comic book Gorr, people would compare him to Voldemort.

he already looks like Voldemort. the wraith/Lich thing is nothing new, but Voldemort is recent enough in pop culture to be made a comparison of.

Animosity · May 25, 2022

Gorr was more menacing than Voldemort too. This is worse than Apocalypse in the Dark Phoenix movie.

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