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Maybe it's also foreshadowing : Rust in the window's frame, maybe he will get framed ?
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Last episode, present-day-Hart was talking about how he eventually came to realize his real problem was he was inattentive.
With all the talk of circular/flat time I wouldn't be surprised if Rust's story is almost an exact mirror of his past, where he gets in too deep, messes up, pays for it by going under cover, then eventually goes crazy.
Great article that includes comments from the writer/creator:meta stuff.
"This is a world where nothing is solved," he intones. "Someone once told me time is a flat circle. Everything we've ever done or will do we're gonna do over and over and over again. It's like, in this universe, we process time linearly," he says. "Forward. But outside of our space-time, from what would be a fourth-dimensional perspective, time wouldn't exist. And from that vantage, could we attain it, we'd see"?he crushes a can of Lone Star between his palms?"our space-time look flattened, like a seamless sculpture. Matter in a super-position?every place it ever occupied. Our sentience just cycling through our lives like carts on a track. See, everything outside our dimension?that's eternity. Eternity looking down on us. Now, to us, it's a sphere. But to them, it's a circle."
"You could see Cohle as Job crying out to an unhearing God," he explained. "Or you could see him as something else."
"Now, think about all the things Cohle is talking about," he said as he finished chewing. "Is he a man railing against an uncaring god? Or is he a character in a TV show railing against his audience? Aren't we the creatures of that higher dimension? The creatures who can see the totality of his world? After all, we get to see all eight episodes of his life. On a flat screen. And we can watch him live that same life over and over again, the exact same way."
"You could see Cohle as Job crying out to an unhearing God," he explained. "Or you could see him as something else."
"Now, think about all the things Cohle is talking about," he said as he finished chewing. "Is he a man railing against an uncaring god? Or is he a character in a TV show railing against his audience? Aren't we the creatures of that higher dimension? The creatures who can see the totality of his world? After all, we get to see all eight episodes of his life. On a flat screen. And we can watch him live that same life over and over again, the exact same way."
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I'm going to have to start doing this. It's sort of a tradition for me going back to Deadwood that when I'm watching a great drama on Sunday night the experience is enhanced by having some wine or bourbon while I watch it. This works for Mad Men, Game of Thrones, even Homeland, but this show is too complicated and you really need to be awake and clear headed and not surfing the internet to keep up with it.
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That along with the Wall Street Journal interview where Pizzolatto explains how his admiration for Thomas Ligotti's philosophy had a lot of Ligotti's fans all antsy about why the showrunner didn't mention Ligotti's philosophical fingerprints all over the script even sooner. A couple weeks ago enough weird fiction fanboys started grumbling about plagiarism that Pizzolatto gaveanother interviewwherein he tried to explain the omission without spoiling the rest of the season too much---which was really hard and also tells you exactly how much Ligotti's weird fiction-tinged antinatalism informs the show.
Anyways, seems the next episode is gonna shit on my pet theory about Hart's father-in-law molesting Audrey into a future backroomcastingcouch applicant:
I'm still leaning towards the father-in-law or the preacher but it looks like we're back to looking for the man with scars.
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Strange is the night where black stars rise,
And strange moons circle through the skies,
But stranger still is
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^ from The King in Yellow. Ledoux was saying "the black star's rising... I know you... I dreamt about this" etc.
Here is the whole poem/excerpt that I think someone already posted:
The Hyades refers to Greek legend, the Hyades were the daughters of Atlas and are associated with rain. The rain at the changing of the seasons was associated with their grief over their brother Hyas who was killed (i think).Wikipedia yo_sl said:
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Seriously. That whole episode my heart was pounding, especially the shit at the meth lab. At the end of the episode I just felt creeped out.
For some reason I saw what he was doing there as I was watching, but he ended up picking up the 5th can-man and making him stand.5 crowned Kings, 4 standing 1 down. Tuttle died in 2010.
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The One Literary Reference You Must Know to Appreciate ?True Detective
More stuff on The King in Yellow.
More stuff on The King in Yellow.
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I feel like there's a very good chance this show concludes as being the darkest and most disturbing show ever to end up on TV.
I'm not sure how I feel about that possibility right now. The show already freaks me out a bit.
Just got thru binging on House of Cards, and as fun as it was, afterwards I watch the recent episode of True Detective and it just destroys it. This show is seriously TOO good. It makes other perfectly decent TV series just look like amateur hour.
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Even if Tuttle was involved in the earlier murders we already know he died in 2010 and couldnt have been involved the latest murders, which bear the same undisclosed hallmarks as the murders from 1995. In fact the 2012 investigators mention the correlation between Cohle's return to Louisiana and Tuttle's death by mixed medications back in 2010.
Man I'm going to be really disappointed if this show doesn't have a fucked-up ending now. Thanks guys.
I hope the split personality isn't a thing and I don't think it will be. I think any twists will come from narrative differences in what actually happen versus what they told the interrogators. One interesting thing someone pointed out on another forum I was reading is that maybe the doll scene in one of the early episodes wasn't done by Hart's daughters but rather it was his on vision of it. When he walks into the room the little girls are discussing a car wreck or something along those lines and iirc, one of the girls is still holding the doll. I tend to think Hart was 'seeing it' as it was but it wasn't that way at all. Besides, why would a little girl have so many guy dolls? (I think it's important to also note that you could argue some of the dolls look like Hart and Cohle)
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If you watch the whole pull out shot, there are actually 4 black stars on the windows, in the same configuration at those drawn in margin of the right hand page from Lang's journal.