Chukzombi
Millie's Staff Member
- 73,102
- 214,393
eventually. but hopefully not soon. Undead Shaman are hard to kill.
- 5
- 1
True Detective
- Thread starter Fedor
- Start date
-
Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!
Go here and give us your nominations!Who's been the biggest Asshat in the last year? Give us your worst ones!
Chanur
Shit Posting Professional
- 28,886
- 46,534
Good news! New season is approved with her in charge again!
- 5
- 3
- 2
- 3,368
- 14,811
I saw it coming at either episode 3 or 4-- I saw all the set-ups and tropes and I knew they were destined to fail. The show had a ton going for it-- great actors, beautiful cinematography, gorgeous and disturbing settings, a huge budget, some great callouts to John Carpenter;s "The Thing.," but once again-- the writing killed it.
Not the dialogue mind you. That was okay. I imagine that there was some writer's room somewhere (while those still exist) and they sketched out all of the themes and tropes and ideas that they wanted to deal with (and it probably would have looked like the chalk board in "School of Rock," except it was probably in Excel). Then they got hammering.
And yes, the show started with some seriously creepy, disturbing, engaging themes. Yes, they had to layer in just about every PC/SJW theme imaginable along the way. But I could have handled that if they pay-off was good. There was no-fucking-way that a six episode run could master or maintain the number of characters and issues they raised (and or dropped). I won TWO bets on this series (made during episode #3) with the person who persevered watching it with me. Bet #1 was that the series would fall apart at or about episode 4 or 5. Bet #2 was that Hank was not getting ANY girl by the end of the show (yeah, that was a weird bet). But that subplot was a perfect example of a meaningless throw-away. Unlike a lot of stuff thrown onto the chalk-board, at least there was an attempt at closure of that story-line.
What a massive, compelling, potentially-beautiful mess that season is. It continues to piss me off that mass-media can generate and produce such extravagant productions without investing or understanding the nature of writing or literature. Honestly, there is little difference between "Night Country" vs pornography; titillate, visually stimulate, and evoke something primal in the viewers. No need for an actual cohesive manuscript or "bible" (eg., for shows like "Babylon 5" and "Lost" or even "Adventure Time"). Just keep throwing stimulating shot at the viewers; without requiring a ton of bilateral involvement of the prefrontal cortex... It even teased us with hockey (which we really never got to see). Wasn't one of the frail, lesbian girlfriends a hockey player (and didn't she look like a puck could have killed her)? And at what point in time did HBO throw away the "hot" lesbian? Wasn't that one of their tried-and-true foils?!?
I dunno- I just feel cheated as it had a lot going for it and they fucked it all up...
Not the dialogue mind you. That was okay. I imagine that there was some writer's room somewhere (while those still exist) and they sketched out all of the themes and tropes and ideas that they wanted to deal with (and it probably would have looked like the chalk board in "School of Rock," except it was probably in Excel). Then they got hammering.
And yes, the show started with some seriously creepy, disturbing, engaging themes. Yes, they had to layer in just about every PC/SJW theme imaginable along the way. But I could have handled that if they pay-off was good. There was no-fucking-way that a six episode run could master or maintain the number of characters and issues they raised (and or dropped). I won TWO bets on this series (made during episode #3) with the person who persevered watching it with me. Bet #1 was that the series would fall apart at or about episode 4 or 5. Bet #2 was that Hank was not getting ANY girl by the end of the show (yeah, that was a weird bet). But that subplot was a perfect example of a meaningless throw-away. Unlike a lot of stuff thrown onto the chalk-board, at least there was an attempt at closure of that story-line.
What a massive, compelling, potentially-beautiful mess that season is. It continues to piss me off that mass-media can generate and produce such extravagant productions without investing or understanding the nature of writing or literature. Honestly, there is little difference between "Night Country" vs pornography; titillate, visually stimulate, and evoke something primal in the viewers. No need for an actual cohesive manuscript or "bible" (eg., for shows like "Babylon 5" and "Lost" or even "Adventure Time"). Just keep throwing stimulating shot at the viewers; without requiring a ton of bilateral involvement of the prefrontal cortex... It even teased us with hockey (which we really never got to see). Wasn't one of the frail, lesbian girlfriends a hockey player (and didn't she look like a puck could have killed her)? And at what point in time did HBO throw away the "hot" lesbian? Wasn't that one of their tried-and-true foils?!?
I dunno- I just feel cheated as it had a lot going for it and they fucked it all up...
- 2
- 12,900
- 28,911
I have a buddy who does stunt work in Atlanta in movies and TV shows. He's been in a couple of them Marvel films, Hunger Games, and a smattering pretty much anything on TV. Even just doing stupid stunts like falling down stairs, but he's been on a lot of sets and productions. When we catch up I always kind of ask him about the industry or maybe call him on occasions to pick his brain about a certain film that I saw.
One topic that always comes up is how do these giant shows and movies with hundreds of million dollars for a budget get greenlit and produced when you have literally hundreds of people working on said project, and then this massive project turns out to be an utter piece of shit, and no one along the way said hey maybe this is a bad decision, or hey this is going to screw with continuity, or hey that's just not believable. He just kind of laughs and says people are just there to collect a paycheck and if you rock the boat you aren't going to get any more gigs. That's it, just keep your mouth shut and make certain the production runs as smooth as possible and do your job, because at the end of the day for a lot of these people it's a job.
Doesn't happen on every set, and they're still good TV and movies out there, but he said those are much more cohesive crews or teams where everybody's invested into the vision of the creator that really shows and things like some of the smaller Independent films. DEI is a big thing (no surprise).
When Batgirl I think was getting made they were trying to find writers. He's been trying to get out of stunt stuff and in a more heavy production and writing, and with Batman being his favorite comic character, he tried to apply. The application processes or whatever listed out a number of bullet points for what they were looking for order to apply, and I'm paraphrasing, but front and center was knowledge of racism, growing up as a person of color, LGBT acceptance or something, basically every box you would need to check off. At the very bottom of the bullet points, knowledge of the comics is optional but appreciated.
Needless to say he didn't get that gig being an athletic white dude. He also feels like he dodged a bullet considering how that show turned out.
He does say Tyler Perry is a machine when it comes to productions, and that being on one of his sets it's run like clockwork, and that's why he's been so successful even if he's putting out garbage. The man knows how to organize and execute extremely efficiently, one two takes at the most.
Sorry I know I kind of got out to the weeds, but it's still surprising that you have a project where you're spending hundreds of millions of dollars, and even with all of these talented people supposedly you're working with, it still manages to turn into a turd, but hey the money is green.
Edit: sorry TTT
Last edited:
- 4
DickTrickle
Definitely NOT Furor Planedefiler
- 13,505
- 15,748
Is that really much different from any large business or project, though? You've got a few shot callers and people with enough influence to change things but 95% are just hired hands who do the work they're told to do. That doesn't really seem eye opening.
I've been working in the corporate software world for years with different companies and I feel like you could have been describing that industry just as easily. If there are turds at the top all it does is cover up any gems on the way down.
- 1
- 12,900
- 28,911
You're absolutely right, that's all industries, except Hollywood and these different showrunners and directors or whatever the hell are still able to get massive projects off the ground. Look at all the Disney Star Wars stuff under Kathleen Kennedy. As a general contractor if I I consistently did a shit job with a design build for a client it's going to bite me in the ass, and I probably won't be in business long. Showbiz it seems you can still fail upwards.
The whole point was these studios are pissing away money, hell look at that magical black people movie that just came out, and it's crashing and burning, but yet they spent millions of dollars and had lots of people that have probably been in the industry for a long time working upon it, still a failure. Isn't The madam Webb movie doing the same thing? The Star Wars stuff is probably the best example, not that I really care about any of that though, I don't watch any of it but I do find it fascinating to find out how the stuff has been treated on the back end, how it Was made what went wrong, etc.
You can learn a lot from other people's mistakes regarding running a project, even if it might not be in the same industry. I do enjoy watching making of different movies that were successful just to understand how something like that is a orchestrated, because sometimes you really can take stuff away from it, and improve your own skills for whatever career you're in.
I also don't work in the corporate world, and I can completely imagine just how bad it is at times between talking to buddies working for big companies, and just reading the anecdotes that people post here. That's why I do what I do even if it has its own set of headaches.
Anyways, I hope that makes sense.
Mist
REEEEeyore
- 31,365
- 23,787
That movie also came out at the same time as American Fiction which is about the same shit and did critically well and tripled its budget in revenue.
If you make the same movie as someone else, but worse, and release it at the same time, you're gonna have a bad time.
This is how all big budget projects work, regardless of industry. Huge civil engineering projects, any large government computer system, etc. Just go along to get along, "as long as my paycheck clears, the big picture isn't my problem."
- 1
- 17,831
- 8,777
American Fiction was satirising wokeness, or more specifically how white progressives view black people.
This post is up there with
spronk
calling American Fiction another "I'm black yall" movie- 1
Aaron
Goonsquad Officer
- 8,881
- 20,932
Just finished watching the first two seasons of this show. Should have done so sooner. Pretty damn good. The first season was amazing. Mathew Mchonahghowthehelldoyouspellhisfuckingname was amazing. Crazy to think that originally the roles he and Woody played were supposed to have been switched. The story was great, the acting, the directing. Crazy good.
Season 2 is pretty good too, not quite as good, but still up there. Collin Farrel and Vince Vaughn were spot on and well cast. The female cop was ok but not as good. The faggy veteran biker cop was meh. The overall story was pretty decent though I got lost in some of the sub-plots and smaller details.
Also, holy shit I never knew how much of a meme factory these series were.
Looking forward to seeing the next series, though I'm not quite as hopeful as I fear it may have been woked up.
Season 2 is pretty good too, not quite as good, but still up there. Collin Farrel and Vince Vaughn were spot on and well cast. The female cop was ok but not as good. The faggy veteran biker cop was meh. The overall story was pretty decent though I got lost in some of the sub-plots and smaller details.
Also, holy shit I never knew how much of a meme factory these series were.
Looking forward to seeing the next series, though I'm not quite as hopeful as I fear it may have been woked up.
- 3
Lanx
<Prior Amod>
- 65,959
- 150,290
DickTrickle
Definitely NOT Furor Planedefiler
- 13,505
- 15,748
The third season wasn't 'woked" up and people weren't saying that at the time, either.
I personally thought it was a lot better than season two but it still didn't have the same appeal as season one.
I personally thought it was a lot better than season two but it still didn't have the same appeal as season one.
- 1
Loser Araysar
Chief Russia Reporter. Stock Pals CEO. Head of AI.
- 81,074
- 162,234
Season 3 is second best season after Season 1, but the payoff at the end is weak
Season 4 is the worst. Dumb plot, lots of woke crap. Buuuut probably the 2nd best setting after first season's Louisiana bayou
Gravel
Mr. Poopybutthole
- 40,071
- 132,213
Homsar
Silver Baronet of the Realm
- 9,572
- 8,516
Your in for a lot of shit talking. Season 2 had some amazing moments but couldn't stick the landing
Colin couldn't save that season and he was awesome. The scene with the surgeon ****
Not trying to suck his dick but Farrell can make actors look like trash. I think it was Tigerland/phonebooth when I saw him lose himself. I think he takes his emotions out when he gets the chance on film
Last edited:
- 2