True Detective

Maester Chuk_sl said:

keep it classy

if it turns out the daughter was not molested at all and just started drawing yellow king sex rituals and posing rape scenes with her dolls at 8 years old for no reason other than shits and gigs and daddy wasnt there. i will happily admit i was wrong. if however it is connected then i expect the same in return.

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Maester Chuk_sl said:

it wasnt like that, they left the possibilities open ended with the line "we didnt get them all, we never do, but we got ours" so i may be right, i may be wrong. what mattered was the guy killing the kids they were investigating was the one they caught. the people in the animal face masks molesting kids in the schools, the possibility of hart's daughter being a victim is "unimportant" to this particular case of the lang and fontenot killing. kind of a blue balls feeling, but overall i was very happy with the episode. hopefully next season its something completely different and they dont dwell on this same cult thing.

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the goddamn director_sl said:

I never read into what she was doing as having any relation to the crimes or the cult. I read Audrey?s behavior as being the direct result of an inattentive father. Seeking male attention in other places, or even seeking to get into trouble, perhaps, to get the attention of her father; it was not related to the killings or anyone around them. I don?t even remember seeing the spiral in her room. The general chatter around those things is great, but it?s probably the kind of chatter that wouldn?t have happened had all those episodes been released at once. The anticipation-speculation that comes with a weekly schedule is a double-edged sword. Because people have more time to talk about things, some crazy ideas get a lot of attention.

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god dammit astrobro...

Back when they caught Ledeaux, I thought that maybe they were lead to him because the Dora Lange killing was too public and the cult needed someone to hang for it. But Nic Pizzolatto says Childress wanted someone to find him, which is a common thing with serial killers.

Also, remember that twat the criticized the show early on because of Rust's "forced" nihilism and anti-religious ramblings, and I insisted that it was MEANT to be forced because Rust was trying to convince himself to deal with his grief? Nic addressed that one too:

"Nic Pizzolatto: And yet he protests too much. I think he does. I would refrain from some of the questions about some of Cohle's psychology and beliefs. And this is a necessary part of the format, but it felt that chapters of a book are being reviewed before the whole book has been revealed. I don't think Cohle is ever lying. I just think he wants that ultimate nullity to be true in the way that a born again Christian might want the transubstantiation of Christ to be true, right? It's the kind of thing where if you know this, then you don't have to go around saying it all the time, do you?"

Happy to see that one validated.

Kreugen_sl said:

Back when they caught Ledeaux, I thought that maybe they were lead to him because the Dora Lange killing was too public and the cult needed someone to hang for it. But Nic Pizzolatto says Childress wanted someone to find him, which is a common thing with serial killers.
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Yeah, this though is one of the reasons why I wished they would have explored his mythos closer.

As near as I can tell. Grandpa Tuttle was the Yellow King. When he died, I suppose the people in the cult assumed he "ascended". The third generation cultists, Errol and Reggi Lodeux, having grown up with the cult all their life, and abused by their fucked up parents (Scars on his back and face) were supremely indoctrinated into the mythos, and they began expanding on it. This is how the Bible and most religious stories are written; the stories were told and 2-3 links down the chain, someone wrote it down and added their own rules to it, or claims to be a prophet so they can toss in another section. So Errol and Reggi and all, took their psychotic Grandfather's Carcossa and began adding their own rules, so they could "ascend" as well--Errol claiming to be a "prophet" and the others his apostles/acolytes.

Eventually, Errol becomes too deranged to contain, and believes his ascension requires his death, and leaves Dora Lang out there as kind of a ritual to draw a "priest" in. (Which I suppose means he needs a cop?) This, I'd guess, is why Lodeux said he "expected" the cops to come, and it's probably why Errol was saying all the crazy shit about leaving signs and his "ascension". (IE the murders were like the start of the ritual, and at the end, Errol was expecting to also be sacrificed by "the priests" an ascend.)

The older Cult members, like Sheriff Childress and Tuttle realizes the kids had gone from closet sociopaths, into full on psychos and begin covering it up. But Errol kidnaps his father and ties him up in that little outhouse and continues on, now the leader of the occult, with the older pure born Tuttles scared shitless of him and powerless to stop him.


Anyway, I'm glad too they adressed all the signs that seemed like whoever was behind it was wanting to get caught--especially because we know they've murdered for decades and were good at not leaving clues/bodies, so Dora Lang was a calling card. But I wish they'd have dove more into his occult and explained his mythos (Like his precise intentions). But as I said earlier, sometimes a writer can fuck things up by doing that, sometimes vague and mysterious ends up working better just because once you define some myths, you take away their creepy mystique.

So not only new actors, but also a new staff of directors for Season 2. They've set a pretty damn high bar and are following it up with a lot of moving parts to try to hit the same mark with. Keeping my fingers crossed for a repeat, but it's not gonna be easy.

Stupid question time: Was his father dead and embalmed or just looked that way?

Kreugen_sl said:

Stupid question time: Was his father dead and embalmed or just looked that way?

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He sorta reminded me of the guy strapped to the bed in Se7en, but he certainly looked dead. Errol was talking to him, but I'm guessing that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

His mouth was sewn shut, and his eyes didn't move. Thinking he was dead.

Guess he just hadn't been dead all that long. I don't recall when they were saying he disappeared, but he's been locked there for quite a while.

Pontius_sl said:

I guess i'm maybe answering my own question, but was that nebula thing one of Rust's visions ? But what did it mean.

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Yeah, his vision. I think it was another version of the "swirl" imagery we saw over and over. I took it to mean the same thing as he said at the end (Optimism is as real as pessimism). We always assumed the swirl kind of lead into a pit of black "nothing". But instead, he saw it was actually a swirl producing "light" . So I took it as an optimistic take on the image.

Lithose_sl said:

Yeah, his vision. I think it was another version of the "swirl" imagery we saw over and over. I took it to mean the same thing as he said at the end (Optimism is as real as pessimism). We always assumed the swirl kind of lead into a pit of black "nothing". But instead, he saw it was actually a swirl producing "light". So I took it as an optimistic take on the image.

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It was also the moment of Errol's anticipated "ascension", when he was to "leave this disc" and move on to the next one. He kept calling Rust "little priest". I don't know if there was supposed to be that sort of connection between Rust's vision and Errol's plan for himself, but it's interesting none the less.

I'm happy with how it ended, despite all the unanswered questions, and feel that it was satisfied. I don't think it was the best episode in the series though, which is a shame.

What were people's favourite episodes?
Hard to go past ep 4, but maybe it's because the long shot was just so damn awesome.

Hard to pick one but I think episode 8 had the best acting out of the 8 episodes

Fantastic show, the last couple of weeks I felt I could watch this for several more episodes, but the last one wrapped it up perfectly.

joeboo_sl said:

Would love to see this set up like The Wire, were each season has a different setting and focus, but it's all the same theme(or city in the case of The Wire)

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That would be absolutely fantastic. I hope they at least incorporate some of the mythos in the coming season(s) or a character or two. Would certainly like to see more of Kevin Pollak's preacherdude, or something telling more about old man Tuttle.

Gonna laugh my ass of If Marty's daughter and/or his father-in-law shows up

chaos_sl said:

god dammit astrobro...

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-shrug
i went by what was shown in the show, how was i to know that the sex drawings and rape dolls and the animal mask school molesters were unrelated to the conclusion? at least i wasnt alone, if pizzolato had to explain himself about the daughter situation it means he poorly conveyed what he was going for. in other words, yeah he trolled us. sorry i got trolled guys.

You didn't get trolled. You thought you were watching the Carcosa and Rapings show. You were watching the Marty and Rust show. It happens, when you set up expectations sometimes you see things that aren't there. I feel like maybe someone said this all before me, someone maybe in the very show we are commenting on...