Vanessa's Tranny AMA Blog Thread

Vanessa · Apr 17, 2019

ZyyzYzzy said:
Can't be serious.

We cautiously conclude that puberty suppression may be a valuable element in clinical management of adolescent gender dysphoria

Can't be serious.

puberty suppression helps in the exploration of suitable treatment options and making a balanced decision regarding GR.

Vanessa · Apr 17, 2019

We can do this all fucking day Zyyz.

ZyyzYzzy · Apr 17, 2019

Vanessa said:
We can do this all fucking day Zyyz.

Did they followup or track these individuals past 1 point in time?

Foler · Apr 17, 2019

Vanessa said:
Here, I'm probably just average intelligence if not a tad below average here. That's my honest to God assessment.

Can't even tell if ur serious anymore. On one hand it's like o maybe vanessabro is finally seeing the light and acknowledges he has low iq than the rest of us. On the other hand why would someone who claims to have low IQ relative to forum try to debate science with much higher IQ people on forum.

Your attempt at being genuine is disingenuous. You're seriously having a mental breakdown here. I think you should just step away from the computer for a few days. Maybe go take a walk with your boyfriend or whatever.

Vanessa · Apr 17, 2019

ZyyzYzzy said:
Did they followup or track these individuals past 1 point in time?

Behavioral and emotional problems and depressive symptoms decreased, while general functioning improved significantly during puberty suppression. Feelings of anxiety and anger did not change between T0 and T1. While changes over time were equal for both sexes, compared with natal males, natal females were older when they started puberty suppression and showed more problem behavior at both T0 and T1. Gender dysphoria and body satisfaction did not change between T0 and T1. No adolescent withdrew from puberty suppression, and all started cross‐sex hormone treatment, the first step of actual gender reassignment.

This is what you're referring to I assume. T0 and T1 with T0 being before blockers were administered and T1 being when actual HRT was started. If this is NOT what you're referring to, then give me time to read the ENTIRE paper. I honestly have been arguing with you all whilst simultaneously skimming the paper while also trying to finish my dishes while the water is still hot heh.

Maul · Apr 17, 2019

Vanessa said:
LoL, this is not a meltdown, not in the least bit... this is the complete narrative that you all harbor getting demolished by scientific facts, data, and research.

Versus y'all just posting "feels". My how the tables have turned.

You really think I'm NOT going to defend the truth of all this and just be a shrinking violet to the masses Phazael? Get wrecked you fat fuck.

I cant read 116 pages of this shit, did the tits picture get posted somewhere in here? Asking for a friend.

ZyyzYzzy · Apr 17, 2019

Vanessa said:
Behavioral and emotional problems and depressive symptoms decreased, while general functioning improved significantly during puberty suppression. Feelings of anxiety and anger did not change between T0 and T1. While changes over time were equal for both sexes, compared with natal males, natal females were older when they started puberty suppression and showed more problem behavior at both T0 and T1. Gender dysphoria and body satisfaction did not change between T0 and T1. No adolescent withdrew from puberty suppression, and all started cross‐sex hormone treatment, the first step of actual gender reassignment.

This is what you're referring to I assume. T0 and T1 with T0 being before blockers were administered and T1 being when actual HRT was started. If this is NOT what you're referring to, then give me time to read the ENTIRE paper. I honestly have been arguing with you all whilst simultaneously skimming the paper while also trying to finish my dishes while the water is still hot heh.

They asked at t0 and t1. No other point. Not in adulthood. You don't see an issue with that?

Vanessa · Apr 17, 2019

Foler said:
Can't even tell if ur serious anymore. On one hand it's like o maybe vanessabro is finally seeing the light and acknowledges he has low iq than the rest of us. On the other hand why would someone who claims to have low IQ relative to forum try to debate science with much higher IQ people on forum.

Your attempt at being genuine is disingenuous. You're seriously having a mental breakdown here. I think you should just step away from the computer for a few days. Maybe go take a walk with your boyfriend or whatever.

You're the dumbest person on this entire forum. You have 0 place to comment on ANYONE'S intelligence here... holy shit :/

Ravishing · Apr 17, 2019

Lightning Lord Rule said:
If you think your reply sufficiently responds to my own, then you didn't read my post carefully enough, because I already addressed the catch 22 aspect of the situation. Since you seem to have be having difficulty seeing it, allow me to expand on that aspect of the problem.

The catch-22 is: you cannot predict the effects of puberty on a child who presents as trans before puberty. Puberty may remove the trans presenting issue, or it may not, but you cannot know ahead of time unless you're going to claim that science is capable of perfect prediction, which it is not now nor is science likely to ever possess that capability. Regardless of any scans done on someone's brain before puberty, any tests of their endocrinology, or anything else, science simply is incapable of perfectly predicting 5 years in the future of an individual. There are simply too many variables to consider.

So, faced with this catch-22, we as a people have to do a cost-benefit analysis. We have potential harm, and potential benefit.

-The potential harm is that the child will be permanently disfigured and rendered incapable of reproducing. Keep in mind that reproducing is the primary drive governed by our biology, and taking that ability away from a person is a tremendous harm to that individual.
-The potential benefit is that the child will feel better about themselves later in life, but this is not guaranteed. And before you cite the scientific study to claim that it is guaranteed, a study CANNOT provide a guarantee. It can only measure past results, not future outcomes.

Also, consider the magnitude of the potential benefit in this situation. Here I'm quoting from the last line in the study you keep quoting: all of 70 eligible candidates showed improved mental health and general functioning. This is the best case scenario: improved mental health and general functioning. Not normal, not satisfactory, not 'great!', but 'improved'.

Improved from what? Suicidal? Gloomy? Irritated? Anxious? It's inherently a relative and shifting standard.

We also know that it is possible to have great functioning in life after puberty is completed if you don't go through with hormone blockers before puberty and you present as trans. How do we know this? Because of you, Vanessa. Your life proceeded exactly this way, and you claim to be fine. So, it must be possible, unless you're an extreme outlier which I doubt.

So, faced with the possible harm of permanent damage to a child who is not old enough to decide for himself what is best for him, with the possible benefit of merely 'improved' mental health later in life and knowing that 'improved' and 'totally satisfactory' mental health is possible later in life WITHOUT undergoing puberty blockers early in life, we must conclude that the potential harm outweighs the potential benefit AND that there are viable alternative methods to achieve the same result.

After running this cost-benefit analysis and weighing the ethic of protecting children who cannot be responsible for their own decisions from harming themselves or from being harmed by others as higher than the ethic of improving the mental health of adults, the ethic of protecting children wins out.

TL ; DR : Until such time as science or some other force is capable of perfectly predicting the future outcome of any child below the age of puberty, it will be unethical to allow a child to undergo puberty blocking hormones in an effort to improve their future mental health.

Just hopping in rq to watch the meltdown.

But this is the best post and is 100% spot-on.

Carry on.

Foler · Apr 17, 2019

Vanessa said:
You're the dumbest person on this entire forum. You have 0 place to comment on ANYONE'S intelligence here... holy shit :/

Love it. A mentally ill tranny who works as a packer at an Amazon warehouse calls me dumb. This forum is amazing.

This whole mental breakdown is awesome. This thread may make into SSHF just yet!

Vanessa · Apr 17, 2019

ZyyzYzzy said:
They asked at t0 and t1. No other point. Not in adulthood. You don't see an issue with that?

I don't know what to tell you... sure I see a problem with that but two things here:

Is (what I assume it'd be called) T2 still being studied?
Is there a followup paper that we just haven't seen due to either of us just missing it whilst using our Google-Fu?

I mean, I don't know... do you?

If there's evidence that the entire study since T2 was scrapped by whomever was conducting it, I'd be on your side and this is finally something we can see eye to eye on. I think trannies need extensive study, of course.

ZyyzYzzy · Apr 17, 2019

Vanessa said:
I don't know what to tell you... sure I see a problem with that but two things here:

Is (what I assume it'd be called) T2 still being studied?
Is there a followup paper that we just haven't seen due to either of us just missing it whilst using our Google-Fu?

I mean, I don't know... do you?

If there's evidence that the entire study since T2 was scrapped by whomever was conducting it, I'd be on your side and this is finally something we can see eye to eye on. I think trannies need extensive study, of course.

God damn you are stupid. They didn't bother in the study you are hinging your entire argument on. The study didn't look past a specific time frame. Go find a long range study that supports your claims or just shut the fuck up.

Vanessa · Apr 17, 2019

Ravishing said:
Just hopping in rq to watch the meltdown.

Don't just watch, participate. Question for you. You think I'm supposed to NOT defend myself when I have science and facts on my side? I mean is this really your assessment here?

Again, this isn't a meltdown... this is me decimating the status quo here on my own.

Foler said:
Love it. A mentally ill tranny who works as a packer at an Amazon warehouse calls me dumb. This forum is amazing.

This whole mental breakdown is awesome. This thread may make into SSHF just yet!

Do you honestly believe I'm the only one who thinks you're the most unintelligent person on this entire forum?

LoL~

ZyyzYzzy said:
God damn you are stupid. They didn't bother in the study you are hinging your entire argument on. The study didn't look past a specific time frame. Go find a long range study that supports your claims or just shut the fuck up.

Ahhh, now the goalposts have shifted YET AGAIN to only basing stuff on LONG TERM studies.

You're such a fucking joke Zyyz... and a failure to boot.

ZyyzYzzy · Apr 17, 2019

Vanessa said:
Don't just watch, participate. Question for you. You think I'm supposed to NOT defend myself when I have science and facts on my side? I mean is this really your assessment here?

Again, this isn't a meltdown... this is me decimating the status quo here on my own.

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Do you honestly believe I'm the only one who thinks you're the most unintelligent person on this entire forum?

LoL~

Ahhh, now the goalposts have shifted YET AGAIN to only basing stuff on LONG TERM studies.

You're such a fucking joke Zyyz... and a failure to boot.

We are talking about a "therapy " that has permanent effects, of course I want a long range study to analyze its impacts on individuals

Vanessa · Apr 17, 2019

ZyyzYzzy said:
We are talking about a "therapy " that has permanent effects, of course I want a long range study to analyze its impacts on individuals

So do I dipshit.

Foler · Apr 17, 2019

Vanessa said:
Don't just watch, participate. Question for you. You think I'm supposed to NOT defend myself when I have science and facts on my side? I mean is this really your assessment here?

Again, this isn't a meltdown... this is me decimating the status quo here on my own.

View attachment 203737

Do you honestly believe I'm the only one who thinks you're the most unintelligent person on this entire forum?

LoL~

Ahhh, now the goalposts have shifted YET AGAIN to only basing stuff on LONG TERM studies.

You're such a fucking joke Zyyz... and a failure to boot.

Confirmed meltdown. Honestly if you weren't such a self-righteous, disingenuous, attention man-whore, lunatic, wed probably all be willing to chip in a few shekels to get you gender deassigned. It may have to be down in Mexico but I think we can do it.

ZyyzYzzy · Apr 17, 2019

Vanessa said:
So do I dipshit.

So you're okay with a "therapy" with no studies supporting that it is beneficial in the long term. Do you even see how fucking stupid you are?

The authors of the article are even stating what you are trying to fucking argue against

Foler · Apr 17, 2019

Putting $2000 that Vanessa will try to detransition with

Vanessa · Apr 17, 2019

Zyyz's goalposts:

We need science papers, not blog posts from the APA and Endocrine Society retard.
We need peer reviewed papers, not science papers retard.
We need actual original studies, not just peer reviewed papers retard.
We need long term studies, not just original studies retard.

Asmadai · Apr 17, 2019

Fuck yeah, I love a good meltdown.

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