Vanessa's Tranny AMA Blog Thread

ZyyzYzzy · Apr 17, 2019

Vanessa said:
You are MORE than welcome to quote anything in that study that refutes anything that I have stated as factual if you think I am soooo wrong about my stance. If my argument was standing on sand instead of bedrock, I'd have not linked the studies at all, nor would I so willingly want to engage in this. I'd have said "fuck y'all, I'm being silenced" in the GG thread and simply let it go from there. The fact I pulled subsequent quotes from there here is clear indication that I WANT to be scrutinized... to be attempted to be proved wrong. Why? Because I know my arguments are true and based in research and data.

Prove me wrong and I'll concede I misread, misunderstood, misquoted, or simply was too stupid to understand the context involved. So far, you have failed to even attempt this and the ONLY person who quoted something different in ANY of the studies I've shared was Ambiturner which I promptly carved up.

Ball's in your court. Make your team proud Zyyz. Or, just sit your ass on the bench and shut the fuck up.

Maybe you should look at the actual study that you are quoting from that review article for starters.

Google Scholar

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zzeris · Apr 17, 2019

One of the problems is that no one really believes the stats are as high as 20%. 20% of what? Of a certain study's completely unverifiable 100% rating for kids who suffer GD in a small and limited sample? The true number of trannies in the country is probably still under 1% total. So, when looking at this issue, the numbers that benefit should still be around 1% of the child population. That's the entire slippery slope Dems have been using for decades for all of their grasps for power. We're at the point where live birth abortions are being passed in shithole states like NY. We have to help that less than 1% or we're evil people. But...the only way we can help is by forcing kids who may be experiencing normal gender dysphoria to take possibly harmful hormone treatment because we just can't allow one kid to get to 18 that could have been treated at 9. Does that really make sense to people?

The next point is related to treatment timing. What is the reasoning for starting hormone therapy before 18? To expand this question, what is the primary harm in waiting until 18? Is it still the suicide excuse? Because we are getting to the point of trying to fix things that cannot be fixed. As I said earlier, suicide is a human condition. Kids committing suicide is so far beyond gender dysphoria or it would be the magical bullet and adults just wouldn''t do it,right? Just take hormone therapy at 9 everyone and suicide is solved!!! Sounds like an AOC point honestly. It may sound sarcastic but I'm really trying to understand any reasoning beyond suicide for pushing it before 18 while also being against massive societal changes for extremely small pops. I know it sucks for those pops but you can't truly expect an entire society to be at the whims of a select few unless you live in a communist state.

Vanessa · Apr 17, 2019

Lightning Lord Rule said:
That's what you got out of my post? Fuck the 20%?

Yup.

And you have the gall to accuse others of rhetorical faggotry?

Yup.

You claim to have high intelligence, but you've yet to put forward a logically consistent and coherent argument, and the arguments you have put forward have been utterly demolished.

I claim to have above average intelligence, yep! The funny thing is, I think as a collective, this place has more affluent (money wise) and intelligent posters than the average world populace. Here, I'm probably just average intelligence if not a tad below average here. That's my honest to God assessment.

The arguments I have put forward have been utterly demolished huh?

Do me a favor and edify me of this, for posterity. That is, if you'll renege the "further discussion would be fruitless" statement.

Because I'm, YET AGAIN, the only one linking, quoting, and using scientific papers and data for my facts. It is YOU all that are going with feels... this should be fucking PAINFULLY clear to ANYONE reading all of this without any type of bias.

So yeah, your assessment that my arguments have been utterly demolished by the peanut gallery is.... well, LLR....

When challenged by someone not insulting you in any way, you resort to name calling and personal attacks, attributing the animus of others to me.

No that wasn't my intent, sorry. It was a blanket observation of this thread's past 24 hrs. I don't think you'll believe me that I wasn't throwing the shade DIRECTLY at YOU, but in truth I wasn't. Not directly. Sorry if you were lumped into the masses that I was flaming.

Anyway, your entire post is simply stating what's already been stated: We don't want to risk harming just ONE kid who may be normal and have regrets later than to fix the 20% of true transkids out there when they may turn out okay anyway. Seriously, do you think that your argument itself is somehow going over my head here like I'm not grasping what you're saying? I get what you're saying. I'm saying I'm not therefore turning my back on trans kids either. By YOU all saying to completely forgo the use of blockers, you are essentially saying "fuck the 20%".

80% > 20% > 5%

Case closed.

As for the rest, you're not special in any way here at FoH.

A Christian conservative tranny who loves Trump is pretty damn rare dude, c'mon~

Vanessa · Apr 17, 2019

Phazael said:
Says the person who can't even apply reading comprehension to their own bullshit article they linked. Here's some cold hard fact for you. You are not even transgender you're basically a crossdresser. The evidence? You have no plans to cut off your own dick to finish the transition you involve yourself in primarily male hobbies and you still banging women in the traditional manner. The only remotely feminine traits about you are your attention whoring and the little pissy snarky memes you try to attack on the end of your post to make it seem like you're on the lithose level.

So it begs the question why are you even arguing this shit and who you trying to convince? I say you're trying to convince yourself and you're pissed that we won't play along with your delusional mental gymnastics. You know your community is batshit insane and you want to go and argue that this isn't a mental health issue?Until you cut that dick off you're just a dude who's good with makeup with a nice pair of fake tits. You don't even have personal experience to throw into the ring in this discussion and are going by articles that have been fed to you that you clearly have not even read yourself.

So yeah our minds are made up because we've traded this grown a lot here over the last decade-and-a-half before you ever walked in the front door of this place. Some of us like myself are personally familiar with nearly a dozen transgenders through life experience being exposed to them. The rest have seen Gerald and Goliath in action and been down this road with them already. so if it seems like we're intractable it's really just because we've been through this whole fucking song and dance at least twice before. and you're bringing the same bullshit moves but minus the personal commitment to follow through on your delusion which makes your arguments even more frivolous.

So yeah that feels feels feels thing is really you looking at your self in the mirror. Frankly we know the science behind this shit better than a lot of actavis do because of what's going down in this community. What you're pulling here is literally the rubber glue arguing tactic of a small fucking child. And speaking of children at no point have you addressed the fact that basic medicine requires do no harm as its principal aim as lightning pointed out already. You keep dancing around that because it doesn't fit your little fucking agenda throwing kids who are confused because they haven't gone through puberty yet on a bunch of drugs to fuck them up. It was bullshit when we fed them Zoloft like it was pez and it's even more bullshit if we fuck up their ability to mature properly. Until you address that very important point of why this is somehow an exception your appeals to authority are entirely bullshit and transparent.

Feels, feels, feels, no facts.

Eat shit big boy.

ZyyzYzzy said:
Maybe you should look at the actual study that you are quoting from that review article for starters.

Google Scholar

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article said:
Conclusion
Puberty suppression may be considered a valuable contribution in the clinical management of gender dysphoria in adolescents.

This is what you just linked. Thanks a lot?

ZyyzYzzy · Apr 17, 2019

Vanessa said:
Feels, feels, feels, no facts.

Eat shit big boy.

This is what you just linked. Thanks a lot?

Glad you didn't bother reading it. Did you look at the questions they asked and the times at which they were? Followups? Did they happen?

Lightning Lord Rule · Apr 17, 2019

Vanessa said:
A Christian conservative tranny who loves Trump is pretty damn rare dude, c'mon~

We have plenty of self contradictory lunatics on this forum, so no, you're not special.

ZyyzYzzy · Apr 17, 2019

Let me help you

Vanessa .

"Long-term follow-up studies, however,
should be performed to examine whether these
adolescents will be able to maintain their relatively
good functioning into their adult years after GR.
In addition, effects of GnRHa on physical param-
eters are needed before broad conclusions can be
drawn regarding the safety of puberty suppression"

From the actual study, not some review article you are grasping at so fucking much.

TrollfaceDeux · Apr 17, 2019

Lightning Lord Rule said:
We have plenty of self contradictory lunatics on this forum, so no, you're not special.

Is there any lunatics that will fuck me here.

Lanx · Apr 17, 2019

Phazael said:
Until you cut that dick off you're just a dude who's good with makeup with a nice pair of fake tits.

actually go show your wife or gf or whatever a pic, i'm sure they'll tell you vanessa could spend more time w/ youtube make up tutorials

don't get me wrong, men can be really good with make up, like some of the best make up artists are men(gay), and my wife to use to watch two gay guys make up tutorials, until they just became too gay (they'd talk about gay shit on their make up channel, and shes like "wtf, i just want make up tips")

now i see her watching a snarky nail guru girl.

Vanessa · Apr 17, 2019

ZyyzYzzy said:
Glad you didn't bother reading it. Did you look at the questions they asked and the times at which they were? Followups? Did they happen?

ABSTRACT
Introduction
Puberty suppression by means of gonadotropin‐releasing hormone analogues(GnRHa) is used for young transsexuals between 12 and 16 years of age. The purpose of this intervention is to relieve the suffering caused by the development of secondary sex characteristics and to provide time to make a balanced decision regarding actual gender reassignment.
Aim
To compare psychological functioning and gender dysphoria before and after puberty suppression in gender dysphoric adolescents.
Methods
Of the first 70 eligible candidates who received puberty suppression between 2000 and 2008, psychological functioning and gender dysphoria were assessed twice: at T0, when attending the gender identity clinic, before the start of GnRHa; and at T1, shortly before the start of cross‐sex hormone treatment.
Main Outcome Measures
Behavioral and emotional problems (Child Behavior Checklist and the Youth‐Self Report), depressive symptoms (Beck Depression Inventory), anxiety and anger (the Spielberger Trait Anxiety and Anger Scales), general functioning (the clinician's rated Children's Global Assessment Scale), gender dysphoria (the Utrecht Gender Dysphoria Scale), and body satisfaction (the Body Image Scale) were assessed.
Results
Behavioral and emotional problems and depressive symptoms decreased, while general functioning improved significantly during puberty suppression. Feelings of anxiety and anger did not change between T0 and T1. While changes over time were equal for both sexes, compared with natal males, natal females were older when they started puberty suppression and showed more problem behavior at both T0 and T1. Gender dysphoria and body satisfaction did not change between T0 and T1. No adolescent withdrew from puberty suppression, and all started cross‐sex hormone treatment, the first step of actual gender reassignment.
Conclusion
Puberty suppression may be considered a valuable contribution in the clinical management of gender dysphoria in adolescents. de Vries ALC, Steensma TD, Doreleijers TAH, and Cohen‐Kettenis PT. Puberty suppression in adolescents with gender identity disorder: A prospective follow‐up study. J Sex Med 2011;8:2276–2283.

gshurik · Apr 17, 2019

This thread has dipped from interesting to saddening in a fucking record time and it's not surprising that Vanessa has lost her shit when borderline down syndrome patients like Foler are posting the equivalent of "I don't like trannies" every few days. It's low effort shit like that, that shuts down discourse and turns it into a slog to read.

ZyyzYzzy · Apr 17, 2019

Vanessa said:
ABSTRACT
Introduction
Puberty suppression by means of gonadotropin‐releasing hormone analogues(GnRHa) is used for young transsexuals between 12 and 16 years of age. The purpose of this intervention is to relieve the suffering caused by the development of secondary sex characteristics and to provide time to make a balanced decision regarding actual gender reassignment.
Aim
To compare psychological functioning and gender dysphoria before and after puberty suppression in gender dysphoric adolescents.
Methods
Of the first 70 eligible candidates who received puberty suppression between 2000 and 2008, psychological functioning and gender dysphoria were assessed twice: at T0, when attending the gender identity clinic, before the start of GnRHa; and at T1, shortly before the start of cross‐sex hormone treatment.
Main Outcome Measures
Behavioral and emotional problems (Child Behavior Checklist and the Youth‐Self Report), depressive symptoms (Beck Depression Inventory), anxiety and anger (the Spielberger Trait Anxiety and Anger Scales), general functioning (the clinician's rated Children's Global Assessment Scale), gender dysphoria (the Utrecht Gender Dysphoria Scale), and body satisfaction (the Body Image Scale) were assessed.
Results
Behavioral and emotional problems and depressive symptoms decreased, while general functioning improved significantly during puberty suppression. Feelings of anxiety and anger did not change between T0 and T1. While changes over time were equal for both sexes, compared with natal males, natal females were older when they started puberty suppression and showed more problem behavior at both T0 and T1. Gender dysphoria and body satisfaction did not change between T0 and T1. No adolescent withdrew from puberty suppression, and all started cross‐sex hormone treatment, the first step of actual gender reassignment.
Conclusion
Puberty suppression may be considered a valuable contribution in the clinical management of gender dysphoria in adolescents. de Vries ALC, Steensma TD, Doreleijers TAH, and Cohen‐Kettenis PT. Puberty suppression in adolescents with gender identity disorder: A prospective follow‐up study. J Sex Med 2011;8:2276–2283.

Don't read the summary, try the actual entire fucking paper.

Vanessa · Apr 17, 2019

^ This is what you linked dude... I have 0 clue where you pulled YOUR quote from.

ZyyzYzzy · Apr 17, 2019

Vanessa said:
^ This is what you linked dude... I have 0 clue where you pulled YOUR quote from.

The entire fucking paper not the summation? Are you retarded? Download the pdf or open it on science direct?

ZyyzYzzy · Apr 17, 2019

Are you so stupid do you think that is the content of what gets papers published?

Holy fuck

Phazael · Apr 17, 2019

Vanessa is just a false flag pretending to understand this community and its general overview when really he's just another shell here to push his particular brand of agenda. Or I guess in this case false fag would be appropriate........

you can't shout feels feels feels when I'm stating things verbatim that you have stated as fact about yourself. Here's a question for you. would the chopper community consider you to be a transvestite or transgender? trick question we both know that they don't have any actual firm definitions and they just make this shit up as they go along so they can all feel special. It's all part of the attention whoring that drives this entire bullshit movement.

So here's another cold hard fact for you. Transgenderism is a made-up thing and ultimately a dead end in evolution. Gays can help with child rearing and maintaining the community. Mentally retarded people can have non mentally retarded children. choppers provide literally nothing and perhaps less than nothing considering they are hell-bent on messing with the natural maturation process of children to push their agenda and delusion on everyone else.

If you want to argue facts you can start by making a credible case that this entire phenomenon is not mental illness when every single standard says otherwise. the only reason the choppers get special treatment is because of social pressure in other words feels feels feels. and we fucking told you where the line was you can be whatever the fuck unicorn you want to be Vanessa but the minute you start pushing this on other people's children and trying to mutilate children or trying to figure out who they are in life and haven't even gone through puberty? You crossed a very definite line between being a weirdo who's acceptable and an actual threat to society.
But hey keep going with this meltdown it'll be more entertaining than the women fighting one you decided to go full retard on.

Vanessa · Apr 17, 2019

Phazael said:
Vanessa is just a false flag pretending to understand this community and its general overview when really he's just another shell here to push his particular brand of agenda. Or I guess in this case false fag would be appropriate........

you can't shout feels feels feels when I'm stating things verbatim that you have stated as fact about yourself. Here's a question for you. would the chopper community consider you to be a transvestite or transgender? trick question we both know that they don't have any actual firm definitions and they just make this shit up as they go along so they can all feel special. It's all part of the attention whoring that drives this entire bullshit movement.

So here's another cold hard fact for you. Transgenderism is a made-up thing and ultimately a dead end in evolution. Gays can help with child rearing and maintaining the community. Mentally retarded people can have non mentally retarded children. choppers provide literally nothing and perhaps less than nothing considering they are hell-bent on messing with the natural maturation process of children to push their agenda and delusion on everyone else.

If you want to argue facts you can start by making a credible case that this entire phenomenon is not mental illness when every single standard says otherwise. the only reason the choppers get special treatment is because of social pressure in other words feels feels feels. and we fucking told you where the line was you can be whatever the fuck unicorn you want to be Vanessa but the minute you start pushing this on other people's children and trying to mutilate children or trying to figure out who they are in life and haven't even gone through puberty? You crossed a very definite line between being a weirdo who's acceptable and an actual threat to society.
But hey keep going with this meltdown it'll be more entertaining than the women fighting one you decided to go full retard on.

Feels, feels, feels, no facts.

Try harder big boy.

ZyyzYzzy · Apr 17, 2019

Linked the actual "facts" instead of a misrepresentation and still claims others only use "feels"

Vanessa · Apr 17, 2019

ZyyzYzzy said:
The entire fucking paper not the summation? Are you retarded? Download the pdf or open it on science direct?

My god shut the fuck up... I clicked the link on the left first. Damn me to hell... I'm on the PDF now, chill.

Already one funny thing stood out, but first I gotta ask you Zyyz before I wreck your shit *yet again*

Are YOU satisfied with this paper being Scientific enough for you? Yes or No.

ZyyzYzzy · Apr 17, 2019

Vanessa said:
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My god shut the fuck up... I clicked the link on the left first. Damn me to hell... I'm on the PDF now, chill.

Already one funny thing stood out, but first I gotta ask you Zyyz before I wreck your shit *yet again*

Are YOU satisfied with this paper being Scientific enough for you? Yes or No.

Scientific enough? You aren't even asking the correct questions. It was a limited study, elthat can't be used to draw a positive conclusion about puberty intervention, which is even acknowledged by the authors.

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