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Wrong, the second guy did not commit murder...he may have killed the shooter but that is NOT murder, HUGE difference.
What Is the Legal Definition of Murder?

Under the common law (law originating from custom and court decisions rather than statutes), murder was an intentional killing that was:

  • unlawful (in other words, not legally justified), and
  • committed with "malice aforethought."
 
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We have a great many variants of "that guy is dead and you seem to be responsbile". Murder only accounting for two of them.

There are more ways to get to a corpse that do not involve murder than there are ways that do.
 
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Sevens said:
Wrong, the second guy did not commit murder
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EXACTLY! Now run with that exact same thought and realize what I'm doing to you to get you to understand how it works in my brain of why transgenderism isn't a sin.

Bad thing was there (Gender Dysphoria) trying to fuck up things in my brain since birth so I took drugs (hormones) and transitioned to kill the Gender Dysphoria in my brain.

So the analogy with this is that the first shooter was there trying to fuck up things in the church so the good guy shot the bad guy.

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Religion is so fucking dumb. The guy who shot the bad guy and saved who knows how many lives, protecting the innocent against random violence, has "sinned". Why? Cause.
 
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I take your point. There is more than one reason, more than even two I think. But the two most obvious ones are these:

In the act of that violence, that man may (or may not, depending on the man) feel residual guilt over the necessity of his actions. Sin allows for attonement. And if he needs that to emotionally reorient himself, then it's available.

A necessary act of violence is not the same thing as a righteous act of violence. The concept of sin there acts as a damping mechanism against conflating necessary with righteous. In that way guilt is harnessed to dampen further violence.

But you do have a valid point, and it may sound to a military man like unnecessary hand wringing. And part of it may be.
 
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Just to be clear that righteous act of violence is very fucking dangerous left unchecked. Both personally and socially. It's no less dangerous even if you agree that it was righteous. A little contrition goes a long way into showing everyone else that you understand how dangerous it is.
 
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iannis said:
I take your point. There is more than one reason, more than even two I think. But the two most obvious ones are these:

In the act of that violence, that man may (or may not, depending on the man) feel residual guilt over the necessity of his actions. Sin allows for attonement. And if he needs that to emotionally reorient himself, then it's available.

A necessary act of violence is not the same thing as a righteous act of violence. The concept of sin there acts as a damping mechanism against conflating necessary with righteous. In that way guilt is harnessed to dampen further violence.

But you do have a valid point, and it may sound to a military man like unnecessary hand wringing. And part of it may be.
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Sure, but guilt and ethics don't require the concept of sin. He can feel whatever he feels about the situation. But us, as a society, could not have asked for a better outcome to this situation. The danger, imo, is more in mythologizing this kind of action and removing the context. But on a personal level, the two actions aren't comparable. This leveling effect of modern christianity is just vapid. How do we, as a society, benefit from that?

But, more to the point, how does this compare to trans issues? I'm not really a biblical expert but I'm pretty sure Jesus didn't say anything about dick chopping and drugging children, it's more an ethical issue and reflects on the consistency of values/beliefs rather than the acceptability of any particular action. And for sure isn't comparable to the church shooting thing, on any level.
 
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Sure, but guilt and ethics don't require the concept of sin. He can feel whatever he feels about the situation. But us, as a society, could not have asked for a better outcome to this situation. The danger, imo, is more in mythologizing this kind of action and removing the context. But on a personal level, the two actions aren't comparable. This leveling effect of modern christianity is just vapid. How do we, as a society, benefit from that?

But, more to the point, how does this compare to trans issues? I'm not really a biblical expert but I'm pretty sure Jesus didn't say anything about dick chopping and drugging children, it's more an ethical issue and reflects on the consistency of values/beliefs rather than the acceptability of any particular action. And for sure isn't comparable to the church shooting thing, on any level.
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You are trying to logic your way through a mentally ill narcissist's thoughts. You will not succeed.
 
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I too wish I could worship an invisible thing that I could project myself onto and have it provide an easy answer to every question I ever had, removing any need for me to be responsible for myself or hold others fully accountable. Just think how comforting that would be. I can see why so many prisoners find god.
 
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chaos said:
Sure, but guilt and ethics don't require the concept of sin. He can feel whatever he feels about the situation. But us, as a society, could not have asked for a better outcome to this situation. The danger, imo, is more in mythologizing this kind of action and removing the context. But on a personal level, the two actions aren't comparable. This leveling effect of modern christianity is just vapid. How do we, as a society, benefit from that?

But, more to the point, how does this compare to trans issues? I'm not really a biblical expert but I'm pretty sure Jesus didn't say anything about dick chopping and drugging children, it's more an ethical issue and reflects on the consistency of values/beliefs rather than the acceptability of any particular action. And for sure isn't comparable to the church shooting thing, on any level.
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Oh, I have no idea how it relates to trans issues. lol. You could overlay the same concepts onto a different set of cirumstances. I don't think that's necessarily stupid. It's one way to approach the problem. But I don't think it's a complete thing. Just part of a process of consideration. At least that's what I think Vanessa is doing.

And honestly I agree with you about mythologizing violence. But I think that's a vital crux of the argument for the concept of necessary killings still being sinful. It's less about persecution of the actor himself.
 
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Dom said:
I too wish I could worship an invisible thing that I could project myself onto and have it provide an easy answer to every question I ever had, removing any need for me to be responsible for myself or hold others fully accountable. Just think how comforting that would be. I can see why so many prisoners find god.
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idk, to me it seems difficult, holding all these contradictions and dealing with the cognitive dissonance without actually examining it too closely. And then there's all the made up shit you have to memorize. It's like being an LoTR nerd but way less interesting.
 
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Vanessa said:
EXACTLY! Now run with that exact same thought and realize what I'm doing to you to get you to understand how it works in my brain of why transgenderism isn't a sin.

Bad thing was there (Gender Dysphoria) trying to fuck up things in my brain since birth so I took drugs (hormones) and transitioned to kill the Gender Dysphoria in my brain.

So the analogy with this is that the first shooter was there trying to fuck up things in the church so the good guy shot the bad guy.

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But you said they both commited murder, now you are saying they didnt?
Im confused...holy shit am I becoming a Tranny?
 
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iannis said:
Oh, I have no idea how it relates to trans issues.\
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I was trying to use an analogous situation to explain to DickTrickle DickTrickle how I mix transgenderism with Christianity in my brain and make that morally sound or okay that God won't shove me into the pits of hades over me being a tranny.

Both in real life and on the interbutts, I frequently try to use analogy as a method of dialogue tactics if who I am talking to doesn't seem to understand what I am saying.

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But you said they both commited murder, now you are saying they didnt?
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If you're just trolling me on the subtle distinction of kill vs. murder, then fuck you, but if you're in earnest trying to understand what I meant, then I'lll say: You were so close to understanding and then you just fumbled the ball homie :/ Nuance. I repeat: Nuance. You are Cathy Newmanning my stance.

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But you said they both commited murder
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Correct. Any way we slice this, we have two people killing another person with a gun. Thou Shalt Not Kill. (I said murder in my previous post, sorry!). Regardless, its the same thing: kill. murder. slay. squelch life. etc.

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Yet the green shooter on the left and the red shooter on the right have very different INTENT with their actions even though their actions are technically the same. Point a gun. Shoot. Kill someone. One is a monster. One is a hero. I don't need to label them because morally you guys already know who is who.

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now you are saying they didnt?
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No, this is where you Cathy Newman'd me. The NUANCE is that I'm saying one's intent is markedly different than the other even though they both committed the same act of killing.
 
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Yeah, analogies suck. Especially in this instance, there just isn't a 1:1 relationship between this situation and trans issues, and you're warping the facts of what happened and the meaning of words. Killing and murder mean different things, for this very reason.

To follow the poor analogy... you're the hero? And you know this how?
 
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That's exactly my point Dom, thank you. Chaos yet again leapt ahead of me and got off track by assuming poorly.

Using YOUR analogy, rape / fucked but both acts involve penis inside a vagina, right? Yet the intent is so much different.

So in YOUR analogy which I'll fly with... it's kinda like saying Thou Shalt Not stick your penis in a vagina. The red shooter raped. The green shooter fucked. I'm arguing that their INTENT is different even though both shooters had their cock in a vag.

Get it Chaos???
 
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No, I don't even know what the fuck you're trying to say because instead of saying it you keep badly wrapping it in analogies and snark. The latest analogy falls apart because there's context to consider surrounding the acts. Consent is part of what differentiates rape from consensual sex, but not the only thing, and no reasonable person would try and group a serial rapist and a newlywed together based on this criteria.

If you're trying to say that intent matters when speaking about whether an action is ethical or not, yeah, sure. Not sure that matters when talking about religious morality, i guess since it's all made up anyway you can make up whatever justification you want really.
 
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